| ▲ | bigwheels 5 hours ago |
| And half as good. I didn't have great experiences with Anthropic models in the past, but Opus 5.5 seems to have turned a major corner. It is churning through tasks significantly more quickly and efficiently. Suggest trying it out yourself: Ask for something difficult from GPT-6 Sol and Opus 5.5 and watch what each one does. The difference is stark. Edit: Defining "difficult" as a complex coding or systems task (or even series of them in a single prompt). |
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| ▲ | dotancohen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Ask for something difficult from GPT-6 Sol and Opus 5.5 and watch what each one does.
That's far too vague. I found Opus to be terrific at coding, but human text just seems so robotic with it. OpenAI models used to be the prototype for robotic text, but lately I've been finding them much more natural. What is "something difficult" in your workflow? |
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| ▲ | notatoad an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | My side by side evaluation this week was to build a tool for mounting my app’s UI components in a headless chrome and feeding mock data into them, for the purpose of taking screenshots for help docs. Not super complicated, but a real task I needed done. I gave the task to codex first, sol 6 xhigh. it took a couple back and forth prompts to define the project and then it worked for a bit and to took a couple more prompts before I decided it was good enough - not perfect, but close. It re-implemented some wrapper components in a simplified way that lost some of the UI, but it would work. Opus 5.5 high took the same prompt with no back and forth, it just went off and one-shotted a tool that takes pixel-perfect screenshots of exactly what my app looks like. | |
| ▲ | peterbell_nyc 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You HAVE to have a set of personal evals for each class of task you want to use models against at scale so you can test plausible candidates and compare output on your work against your evals. There is way too much subtlety in what does and doesn't work for a given problem, context/prompt, tool set and eval. I can tell you Fable is generally better than Haiku, but comparing similar tiers really does depend on your exact context. | |
| ▲ | Starlevel004 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > OpenAI models used to be the prototype for robotic text, but lately I've been finding them much more natural. This was the biggest thing I noticed in the 6 models; their conversational prose is dramatically less grating. |
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| ▲ | beering 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This news and thread is about 6.1 Sol, not 6 Sol. You haven’t even had time to do a fair comparison yet. |
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| ▲ | TuxSH 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Suggest trying it out yourself: Ask for something difficult from GPT-6 Sol and Opus 5.5 and watch what each one does. The difference is stark. Oh yes, I know GPT-6 Sol is ... quite not up to par. At least it's not as bad as GPT-5.6 Terra I suppose. |
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| ▲ | mmis1000 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For my personal experience, antropic model have better user experience except for 4.7 and 4.8 though. 4.7 and 4.8 feels like expensive downgrade of 4.6 to me (I didn't know why these two should even exist) However it's less willing to obey your instruction so it's less usable for general runtine flows. |
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| ▲ | krzyk 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | For me Anthropic models from 4.7 to 5 including where bad and ate tokens like crazy. Task delivery was worse than GPT 5.6 and token usage was 2-3x higher. Looks like 5.5 is the new 4.6 |
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| ▲ | sobiolite 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you comparing Opus 5.5 with GPT-6 Sol or GPT-6.1 Sol? Because they are different models. |
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| ▲ | Infinity315 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm not an OpenAI simp, but how anyone can have any opinion on the performance of these models in less than a day - let alone a few hours - is beyond me. |
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| ▲ | phoghed 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it’s one of the reasons why you often see people decrying the lessening capabilities of the models a few weeks later, despite there being 0 proof of any changes, and evidence of the models staying the same from sites that track it. They form these super strong opinions after a few prompts, then face reality over time. People have been talking about how good whatever model is at “complex” tasks since the beginning, never mind that all of those models are now outperformed by Luna which many people consider unusable for complex work. | |
| ▲ | toasty228 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Try it, it's that good compared to openai current offering. I get better results and usage our of my $20 claude sub than my $100 openai sub... it's that ridiculous | | |
| ▲ | copperx 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The usage allowances are now insane, like they were when the Max plans were introduced. The $100 plan is usable again for real tasks. |
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| ▲ | rspeele 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While I have no experience comparing this brand-new model, OpenAI themselves call it "near-Astra" intelligence. I set Astra and Opus 5.5 independently working on the same large research/coding task in an experimental project (doing NURBS surface modeling stuff). They had the same starting repo state, same task packet, same test suite to try to meet. I have the $100 plan in both. Astra used 215% of a week's budget (I burned 2 free resets) and took 13 hours. Opus used 20% of a week's budget and took 20 hours. Both were asked to use lesser sub-agents for implementation grunt work at their discretion (Luna, Sonnet) as long as they manage and review the output. The timing comparison is not that interesting because the wall-clock speed mostly reflects how often they ran the (large, slow) test suite, not their coding speed. Although in the past my gut feeling is that OpenAI models do generally respond faster. The quality of their implementation was more interesting. There turned out to be a bug in one of the unit tests the agents were trying to pass. Opus interpreted the natural-language requirements from the task packet, found the test bug, and fixed it. Astra tried hard to solve the problem without altering the test suite. In practical terms Opus got much, much farther into a useful implementation. Astra was still stubbing out and faking critical parts of the implementation (B-splines) and since it ultimately couldn't pass the full test suite, finally gave up on its implementation. Astra wrote some useful tooling in the process of its efforts which I ended up integrating into Opus's version of the code, but otherwise its approach was behind. Now, this is just one comparison in one domain, and arguably Astra's strict adherence to the tests as-given is a good thing. But Opus wasn't merely loosening the rules / moving the goalposts to pass, it spotted an actual bug, and was more successful at doing what I actually wanted. And the cost difference was Astra-nomical. Out of curiosity for an interpretation free from my personal bias, I gave Astra a hint from Opus and permission to change the test in question, which it did, and got a bit farther, but still ultimately didn't produce a working implementation (to be fair, Opus's was not completely working either, but was closer). I then fired up fresh agents to review the two repos. Predictably, an Opus agent thought the Opus-written repo was the better basis to build on, and an Astra agent thought the Astra-written repo was the one to keep. They were not explicitly told which was which nor did the commit trailers say, but I assume they can tell. However, after doing this twice each, I saved the 4 review reports into another folder and did yet another meta-review of the 4 reports, so each would see the arguments and critiques both directions. In this meta-review both Astra and Opus converged on preferring the Opus implementation. | | |
| ▲ | this_user an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Astra doesn't just burn token at an insane rate, it is also strangely high maintenance when using it. Occasionally, you have to keep prodding it to keep working. Then at other times, it will disappear down some rabbit hole, trying to resolve increasingly hypothetical issues. It feels like you constantly have to keep it on track, while Opus is just churning through tasks. | |
| ▲ | agar 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This was a very interesting, informative, and well-written comment (and experiment). Thank you. | |
| ▲ | chaostheory 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I gave Astra a hint from Opus and permission to change the test in question, which it did, and got a bit farther, but still ultimately didn't produce a working implementation (to be fair, Opus's was not completely working either, but was closer). Going on a slight tangent, I find that I get the best results when I force Codex models (Astra/Sol) and Claude models (Opus/Fable) to consult each other (just have them build a simple skill). There are tasks that neither one can fully solve on their own, but their differences are large enough to make a difference when they collaborate. | | |
| ▲ | rspeele 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I strongly agree! My biggest conclusion from this test was: the most efficient use of my weekly Astra budget is as a reviewer/consultant for work done by Opus. I don't have Astra write much code right now, but I do have it reading a lot of what Opus writes. Of course with the way the AI landscape shifts the balance could be the exact opposite 2 weeks from now. Seeing how each model preferred its own flavor of code shows that, even from a "blind" fresh context, a same-model reviewer will still often look at the work of another incarnation of itself and go "yep that's how I woulda done it" and not be as likely to realize that there was an alternative path or implicit assumption/mistake in the work. |
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| ▲ | colinhb 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah totally agree, people keep jumping in w/ strong views hours after release, eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49045430 | |
| ▲ | beering 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They’re comparing against the previous model, not the newly released one (6.1). Why do that on a thread about the new model, I don’t know. | |
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| ▲ | ex1fm3ta 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | benchmarks. | |
| ▲ | AndrewKemendo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Only takes 5-10 minutes to test your favorite one shot comparison prompt. | | |
| ▲ | edgyquant 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you give an example? For me I find that one shot prompts are pretty good it’s only when working with large codebases and complex, multi prompt workflows, that I find the real limitations of models | | | |
| ▲ | squidbeak 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If 5-10 minutes is enough, you need a more ambitious one-shot goal. |
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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| A pity I have to use claude code to try this, that I can't use the tools I know and love and have built around (opencode). (I did use some CC for Fable when it came out, and it was... ok. Not the worst thing ever.) |