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▲ mhh__ an hour ago

Frankly I think this is a good bit of hormesis for European countries. It's critical that we have domestic payment infrastructure.

▲mike_hearn 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Europe does have domestic payment infrastructure, that's in some ways more advanced than the US. That doesn't matter because US sanctions don't depend on control of the infrastructure itself. They have a recursive structure: if you don't enforce US sanctions, or you trade with a peer that doesn't, then you yourself become sanctioned. FATCA works the same way, as did the deployment of the global anti-money laundering system (a US invention, largely).

▲busssard 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

what would be an alternative currently? i know of services like twint but this is a local swiss solution. any more EU wide established solutions??

▲foepys 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

Wero [1] is build on the Dutch iDEAL system and is currently on an upwards trajectory with both banks and retail [2].

1: https://wero-wallet.eu/

2: https://www.werotracker.eu/

▲petcat 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've never seen Wero before. Is it similar to Zelle in the US?

▲toomuchtodo 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

It gives the Zelle UX to the underlying SEPA Instant infrastructure across the EU. The EU is using Wero to migrate off of Visa and Mastercard.

Goodbye Visa and Mastercard: 130M Europeans switching to sovereign payment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48207004 - May 2026 (777 comments)

Wero – Digital payment wallet, made in Europe - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47038965 - February 2026 (132 comments)

Europe's Banks Launch Wero Payments to Dislodge Visa, Mastercard - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41666833 - September 2024 (88 comments)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Euro_Payments_Area

▲stirfish 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

My new vocabulary word for today: Hormesis is a two-phased dose-response relationship whereby low-dose exposures have a beneficial effect and high-dose amounts are either inhibitory to function or toxic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormesis