| ▲ | gadders 3 hours ago | |||||||||||||
When did "sober" take over from "teetotal" for someone who will long-term abstain from alcohol? I'm sober right now but won't be tonight when I have a couple of glasses of wine in front of the TV. | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | AdamH12113 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||
"Sober" is commonly used by recovering/recovered alcoholics to mean they are no longer drinking. It implies that they were drinking too much, to the point where intoxication was a semi-permanent state. I've heard the word used this way for decades and I'm pretty sure it goes back farther. | ||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | bsammon 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
"teetol" has two additional connotations beyond simply "no alcohol" for some readers/listeners:
Similarly, I've considered describing myself as "straight-edge", but that has the connotation (for some) of being disapproving/judgemental of drinkers. | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | joenot443 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
For a causal linguistic reason, my guess is it's because sober is a fairly common word otherwise and is very easily pronounced, whereas teetotal is much weirder to say and has a pretty specific meaning, so one may go a long time without seeing or hearing it enough to really stick. The etymology is also strange - it originally meant "T-total" abstinence from alcohol as in "total with a capital T". A funny word, we probably could have done better. | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | alwa 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
I think of “teetotallers” as being vocal about their abstaining, some to the point of strident abolitionism. Whereas my “sober” friends seem to speak of that more as a personal condition than a zealous cause. I’ve gotten the sense from twelve-step types of friends that, for them, the “sober” sobriquet goes along with this idea that an alcoholic is never “cured”: that sobriety is always contingent, and that they’re always one drink away from sliding back to “a drunk” again. | ||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sophacles 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
I'm sober, both in the immediate sense and in the sense that I haven't had a drink in 23 years. I know that drinking is not a good thing for me, for many reasons. If you want to go home and have a beer or whatever - have a good time. If you want to go to the bar later and have a drink - maybe I'll go with you and sip a fancy mocktail or something, we can take turns buying rounds. If you want to get wasted and party all night - have fun, I had a lot of fun nights that way (please don't drive though). I'm not opposed to anyone else's drinking. I just know I can't. Teetotal implies an opposition to all alcohol use. A teetotaler is against you drinking. I'm not opposed to that at all, I just choose for myself to be sober, for a myriad of personal reasons. | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bitwize 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||
"Sober" in this context means "having overcome a dangerous alcohol habit/addiction". Pretty standard alcoholic terminology. Furthermore, much as they might enjoy a drink, alcoholics who have "gone sober" MUST abstain, as alcoholism is seen as lifelong once acquired and the risk of lapsing into self-destructive behavior is too great after even just one drink. "Teetotaler" usually refers to a person who abstains from alcohol on general principles (does not like the effects, taste, thinks it's a moral vice, etc.). | ||||||||||||||
| ▲ | NooneAtAll3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||
sober simply means "not drunk", so using it for "haven't been drunk for X amount of time" isn't that extraordinary and looking at google ngram, teetotal is just a much rarer word out of the two (like 100x), so it's just more likely to not get transmitted down the generations (I certainly do not know how to use it) | ||||||||||||||