Strange that the world worked before 2024 and software gets worse now. Your debit card transactions for example worked.

This sounds like a typical testimonial whose mind has become captive to Claude. It is like Scientology.

bananaflag 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Before 2024, I once went to an ATM to retrieve money and selected 50. Note that I selected it from a menu, not typed it. The ATM then told me that it cannot give me 50 because it is not a multiple of 5.

	▲	anon7725 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		meanwhile for the other lim(n -> inf) times people tried this it mostly worked.

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MattDamonSpace 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah no one wrote buggy code before 2024 right

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lazystone 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And after 2024 all bugs cease to exist, right.

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ofjcihen 4 hours ago | parent [-]

No, but we’re spending insane amounts of money to essentially end up where we started.

How can you not see the progress?!

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bluGill 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Huh? We are spending a lot of money. (which we were doing before). However we are fixing a lot of bugs. 2024 was not that long ago, it is insane to think we might have fixed all the bugs in that time. I have personally used an LLM to fix a few long standing rare bugs that were hard to figure out. Those bugs are now gone, but there are still many more that we haven't discovered.

LLMs are a great thing for bug fixing. However they are not a miracle. You still need to do all the other things about finding, testing and fixing bugs.

You also need to care about bugs - vibe coding rarely cares about bugs.

	▲	ofjcihen 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Well sure, on the customer side. My money comment was regarding the incestuous spending circle going on that’s directly affecting the economy.

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quatotor an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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paimapi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, I think the problem isn't that the LLM doesn't know how to code, it's that companies are expecting 3-5x velocity with the bottleneck of code review and testing becoming much more severe than before

if you're an MBA-brained exec who doesn't actively use LLMs to code and you just believe whatever slop it outputs at first without checking it, you're not going to realize how recklessly it can be used, how you need to be critical and skeptical of its outputs, that you need to explore it's reasoning and logic (which is still really easy compared to understanding legacy code and barely takes any time!)

say you also believe all this marketing hype about 'how dangerous (ie capable) AI agents are.' LLMs can do anything you think so you just say 'ship it' without building out the tooling and capabilities to enable faster code review and better tests. and to keep the shareholders happy, you start cutting jobs that you can't directly connect to a KPI (ie the platform/SRE team who would be the ones who can trial, onboard, and maintain those capabilities for your teams)

and from this, suddenly a lot of debit card stops working and the only one getting the blame are individual SWEs trying to hit their sprint velocity. the fact that you fucked up the whole SDLC real bad with your incompetence gets you a golden parachute and you job hop to a better paycheck. rinse and repeat

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pprotas 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Debit card transactions still work

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echelon 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Your debit card transactions for example worked.

I've built payment rails. Six nines SLA, high capacity, resilient distributed systems.

I haven't written a single line of code since February, and I don't think I ever will again. These systems are incredibly good at replacing much of our work. They're only going to get better.

Rather than debating if these models are good (they are), we should be trying to figure out if most of us will still be around in three years. You don't need a two pizza team anymore.

"Look to the person to your left and to your right. Only one of you will remain by graduation" kind of energy. I'm not sure all of us is going to be in this career much longer. We'll have to see what the demand side looks like.

	▲	bluGill 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Most of developing good code is not code. I think the person to my left and right will both be here in 3 years despite us all using LLMs. We will spend even more time figuring out requirements, testing to ensure the code meet them and such. Those things were always most of the effort, and while LLMs help with that too there is so much work to be done that we will still be used.
	▲	whateveracct an hour ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		> You don't need a two pizza team anymore. on-call still exists. have fun round robin'ing that with 3 engineers.
	▲	ModernMech 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		On the one hand, you're exactly right. On the other, my local pool company is hiring a software engineer and hardware engineer because with AI, they can replace a 2 pizza team as you so succinctly put it. So no two pizza teams but that doesn't mean all the pizzas are gone, they're maybe going to be spread out and not concentrated in CA, between orgs you might not have thought as "tech" before.
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	▲	319286 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		You can still find employment as an AI shill.

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lbrito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, but Have You Tried the Latest Model?

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rowanG077 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why or how is software worse now? From my perspective we are entering a golden age of software, cheaper, better, faster.

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eureka7 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is just a personal anecdote, but for the past year or so, the software I use on the daily has never been more buggy.

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cat-snatcher 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because every time I see AI integration anywhere (and it's everywhere) I have an emotional breakdown and my day is ruined

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bluGill 4 hours ago | parent [-]

AT is abused into many places it shouldn't be. That doesn't change that there are places where it is helpful.

You should seek professional help about your emotional issues.

	▲	cat-snatcher 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I was being sarcastic. I’m actually a self-certified AI shill and personally paid by Dario and Sam for each and every post!

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anotha_one 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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InsideOutSanta 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Strange that the world worked before 2024

It must have been a huge shock when you were suddenly transported from a working parallel universe into ours back in 2024.