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▲ jfoster an hour ago

In the trailer, there's this line: "When Musk says that the future of humanity is to colonize Mars, he is selling us dreams. That's not happening."

That irritates me a lot. Everything extremely difficult (or thought to be impossible) is a dream until someone (or some company) works hard on it and invests in it for a long time. Those that would criticize Musk & SpaceX for chipping away at this seem to be effectively saying "do not try."

▲vijucat 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There is a weird immature escapism involved in such sci fi story-telling. Most adults are capable of seeing that the biggest problems are internal. Inside ourselves, within families, and more broadly, on earth, itself. Hunger, injustice, the rise of dictators and those who have successfully subverted democracy, slavery and human trafficking. If he was supposedly as capable as his self-mythologizing claims ("Chess is an easy game; I won all games that I played"), he'd pick a much more earth-bound goal. Maybe reconcile with his estranged son-turned-daughter. How about that for starters? Or not get divorced for once? Is that possible for our self-confessed genius?

▲gregschlom an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Funny, for me it's the opposite: I get extremely irritated when Musk or someone else says the future of humanity is to colonize Mars. If you think you can turn a bare rock into a livable planet, please do something about Earth and global warming first.

▲modeless 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

He made an electric car the into the best selling car in the world, and is building the largest solar cell factory in the US. What more should he personally be doing about global warming?

▲runtime_terror 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Those rockets generate zero CO2 right? Oh wait...

▲modeless 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's a rounding error next to the savings from the electric cars.

▲andsoitis 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> please do something about Earth and global warming first.

Through Tesla and his prominent advocacy for green energies, you don’t think his doing that?

▲davidw 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

He's promoting the political party that denies the science showing that climate change is happening, so no.

▲ebcode 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Planets are spaceships. Mars is a dead planet either because its shields[0][1] were disabled, or it never had shields to begin with.

So the first thing we'd want to do is activate a magnetosphere on Mars. I rarely see anyone talking about that[2].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/heliophysics/real-mart...

[2] https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/how-to-give-mars-an-atmos...

▲alex1138 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Colonizing the moon first is not a bad idea and ultimately we do need to find some way of (in the far future) mitigating the sun's expansion, whether it's moving to another planet or something

Mars is just really far. You can send lots of robots. Human beings is a tougher thing

▲hackyhacky an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No one doubts that the work is difficult. The criticism, as the trailer makes clear in context, is not that the company is not making adequate progress, but rather that the public statements made by Musk about the progress of the company are not honest.

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▲ahf8Aithaex7Nai 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think the problem is more that people doubt Musk's sincerity. And I wonder, to be honest, how it’s possible not to. Musk is no Wright and no Bell. He should be placed in the same category as people like Bernie Madoff, Charles Ponzi, and Gregor MacGregor. But your perspective contains another flaw: In hindsight, we see the big, daring projects that were successful. What we don’t see are the countless projects that failed. That skews the cost-benefit analysis a bit. Especially since large projects have far-reaching, often negative side effects. You can admire Hannibal for his crossing of the Alps, but no sane person would want to be one of the many soldiers who froze to death in the process.

▲maxlin 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah. Peak exctinctionist talk is to plainly just state we're never colonizing mars, lets instead hate on those that put immense effort to trying.

▲michaelmrose 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

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▲stetrain an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Musk collects investment money for those dreams, but the dreams change every round. Now it’s AI data centers in space, Mars is old news.

▲jcranmer 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are, I think, two things that the documentary is trying to do with this statement. The first is to remind people that even visionaries selling their actions on a noble cause must still be evaluated for the negative consequences of their actions. In this case, Musk is known to be the cause of quite a few deaths in the world thanks to things like eliminating USAID [1]. People like him need to be fairly evaluated not just on the good they might potentially unlock in the future, but the evil they are unlocking today.

The second thing is to point out that Musk may not be entirely honest about trying to colonize Mars, just as some politicians may campaign on a promise to make a country great again while robbing blind the rubes who vote for them.

[1] Although I think Mark Zuckerberg still beats him in the deadliest tech CEO race, given the role that Facebook plays in the Rohingya genocide.

▲johngruber 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

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▲guelo 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I get annoyed by this type of comment because Musk is obviously an over the top hype man, he sees this as his job. And he has a long history of crazy predictions that didn't come true. Any other CEO spouts some obvious marketing bs and people are appropriately cynical but Musk's defenders just really want to believe.

▲popalchemist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are chipping away but their real motive is not mars colonization; that is a story designed to serve the venture capital needs of here and now.

That's the truth and that is what is being said here; it is not a denial that the chipping away is happening, it is a characterization of the why and how.

▲Spooky23 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I find it irritating that otherwise smart people fall for the constant stream of shuck and jive from Mr. Musk.

It’s all bullshit to provide air cover for his sociopathic behavior and ambition.

▲michaelmrose 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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