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▲ ForHackernews 7 hours ago

In my view, these models should never be set up to output first-person "experiential" (from the abstract) language. It's too easy to humans to anthropomorphize software that presents itself as having an identity.

The AI companies have chosen to package LLMs as friendly chatbots because they know that will be engaging for humans, but it's manipulative dark pattern. An honest LLM interface would sound like the computer off Star Trek.

▲bananaflag 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In principle they could output meaningful such language if they were capable of metacognition, which so far doesn't seem to be a goal of AI developers (and rightfully so, since they achieved so many miracles bypassing it).

▲yu3zhou4 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As far as I know we don't know much about metacognition in LLMs, though? Not sure

▲nullsanity 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲broken-kebab 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's an interesting thought, but humans do like to antropomorphize things anyway, and I believe your variant won't be popular if choice is given to consumers.

▲ForHackernews 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Consumers choose cigarettes, too. Especially in aggregate, humans are fallible creatures prone to vices, and our regulations should recognize that an discourage dark patterns in UX.

▲yu3zhou4 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The strange thing is that the base models (before RLHF) use the "experiential" voice, even though they are not incentivized to do that.

▲gwerbin 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't seem that strange when you consider these things are trained on millions and millions of conversations, both real and fictional.

▲j-pb 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you want to get turned into a paperclip? Because building intelligence that doesn't understand what it's like to be human gets you turned into a paperclip.

Besides, if you train a model on human communications you get something that behaves like a communicating human, it's not anthropomorphising or manipulative, it's what these models naturally are by construction.

▲broken-kebab 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But it doesn't understand (you're unnecessary antropomorphizing it), and I'm still not a paper clip

▲j-pb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Would you say that something that can converse or that something that just gives you mathematical proofs has a better understanding of what the real pragmatic intent is behind a given task?

▲scotty79 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

yet

▲mnsc 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"naturally"...

▲cpfohl 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I hear this word as the “it is in its nature” version of the word.

▲j-pb 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

would you prefer tautologically?

▲idiotsecant 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's also entirely possible that by telling the model it's a human you are instilling human motivations like self preservation, which could be just as bad.

▲StilesCrisis 4 hours ago | parent [-]

LLMs are weight tables in VRAM. When not actively generating they don't exist. There's simply nothing to preserve.

▲actionfromafar 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed, completely. I would pay for that Star Trek computer interface.

▲yu3zhou4 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Same! I believe that you could actually train a LoRA on top of a model to get results close to that

▲urikaduri 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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