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▲ lokar 4 hours ago

On average, foreign born US residents use less public assistance then native born.

▲Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is a statistic that is technically true but has some hidden nuance.

Depending on what gets counted, "public assistance" stats like this usually include medicare and social security. (Social security gets debated because of how it's paid-in, but I'm not here to argue that. The fact is, it gets included in these stats). Those two make up the dominant consumption of public assistance to the point that things we hear about in the media like food stamps are kind of a rounding error.

Medicare and social security are collected primarily by older people. Foreign born populations have much lower numbers of people in that age bracket than the general popualtion.

Combine those two facts and it's not surprising that when you look at charts of foreign born vs native born, the foreign born population uses less public assistance.

It's a statistic that is more about age distribution than anything. Like when you one of those bad maps trying to prove a point but really just showing population density of big cities.

▲lokar 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Natives also use more in SNAP and medicade

▲zdragnar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd love to see some source for this, because from what I've seen, 59% of undocumented immigrants receive some form of welfare (the state of California spends roughly $10 billion a year alone on this) and documented migrants are at roughly the same rate, double the native born population's rate of 28%.

▲mullingitover 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I'd love to see some source for this [proceeds to throw out a bunch of source-free numbers]

I looked up the source for these numbers.

It's the Center for Immigration Studies, and they are notorious for being a right-wing think tank used to dress up up anti-immigration policy using misleading statistics.

How notorious are they? Well, they are listed as a hate group with the Southern Poverty Law Center[1].

The numbers you're citing aren't 'welfare,' the biggest thing is using the education system. The thing that, long term, makes they into productive taxpayers. CIS doesn't figure the long-term benefits into their numbers because that would destroy their thesis.

[1] https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/center-i...

▲zdragnar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The HUD secretary mentioned the number, and the number was also included in a Congressional report, though it ended up being through testimony, also from that same source, which I hadn't realized. I'd been under the impression the one claim was independently sourced from actual federal data, rather being from CIS.

In any case, none of this amounts to immigrants using less welfare than native born residents, which is what I was asking sources for.

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▲lokar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not hard to find, here is a right wing, anti-immigrant anti-service source:

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigrants-still-use-much-less-wel...