The challenge here is that you're assuming performance by race should be constant over time. Maybe that's true, maybe it's not, I think a richer analysis with wealth, parental education, english as a first language cofounders might be helpful.

Also if you want to entertain the theory that it is racial/genetic, it'd be important to do that analysis on a continuum since a lot of people who are "minority X" may be more than 50% white or there may be trends in that over time.

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romaaeterna 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't assume that. See the first table, even better in shagie's nicely reformatted version.

You are the person in this discussion invoking race genetics. Why does your mind go there?

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yesitcan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Because you grouped intelligence by race and showed that whites outperformed blacks and Mexicans.

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romaaeterna 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Where did you come up with "Mexicans" or "intelligence"?

Doesn't it strike you that poor Hispanic reading performance might actually be largely related to Spanish vs. English-language proficiency?

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tick_tock_tick an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He just picked the strongest predictive characteristic we have data on. You're the one trying to turn the statement into something it isn't.

> I think a richer analysis with wealth, parental education, english as a first language cofounders might be helpful.

We have all that data it's just significantly less predictive of outcome then race.

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kalkin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"roma aeterna" is also the sort of alias that's associated with a particular set of political views. (Not conclusive! But a rational thing for someone to notice.)

	▲	romaaeterna 37 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		There is a particular set of political views associated with people who read classical languages? I fail to see what you are calling "rational" here.

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pessimizer 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They grouped performance, not intelligence.

If you don't think that what happened and is happening to black people affects our average performance on tests, you haven't eliminated racist assumptions, you've eliminated the entire black experience in America and any reason for a grudge or complaint.

Grouping a list of test performances by race shouldn't lead to an assumption of natural stupidity any more than grouping a list of incomes or wealth by race should lead to an assumption of natural laziness.

And the fact that you jump to that conclusion, and it makes you nervous, so you think it's bad to talk about the facts that remind you of that conclusion, does not help black people.

You could say the same thing about Hispanic economic migrants. You don't think that economic migrants from countries with good universities and healthy middle classes are going to score lower on tests? The ones that fly in are a different story, they're often elites, but the ones that walk in? They're bottom caste where they come from, and looking for a chance to change things.