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▲ reliabilityguy 7 hours ago

> That goes well beyond simply making sure that people are able to care for themselves.

I am not sure in understand the issue, if Japanese want this, what’s the problem?

▲autoexec 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Just because some people want something that doesn't suddenly make it reasonable or wise. In this case it's a problem for many already successful people living in Japan currently who will be forced to leave. It's also a problem for Japanese companies who have hired those people or who want to attract foreign talent to positions that pay well, but don't typically leave someone fabulously wealthy compared to most of the people living around them. It's also a problem because the policy is coming in at a time of increased xenophobia and overt racism and while this policy is likely to reduce the total number of foreigners living in Japan, it's unlikely to address the problems people have with the foreigners who will remain, and it could actually make those problems worse.

▲zulux 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's their country. They can do what they want as long as they don't start another war.

▲autoexec 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think anyone plans on trying to step in and intervene, but I hope people also don't shy from talking about how foolish this move is, the problems it won't solve, the problems it's likely to cause, and the people whose lives are being negatively impacted by it.

▲rayiner an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Why don't you trust the Japanese to know wha they're doing when it comes to their own society? After all, they're the ones who built an amazing country everyone wants to visit!

▲drunner an hour ago | parent [-]

Because the yen is weak is a big reason why visiting is appealing. Its also a big reason why their population is dwindling.

The govt is just trying to point fingers at foreigners to hide their weakness. I think recently they made a big deal about foreign owned real estate then quickly forgot about that talking point when their own study showed it equated to something like .05% of their total housing.

▲ihsw 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲free_bip 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you think this is true then you simply lack the creativity to understand how bad domestic laws can get.

▲duhher4 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲rustystump 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ya uk for the white and america for the whites and Israel for the jews? right right?

It isnt Japan for the Japanese it is a racist bigoted country staying racist and bigoted.

The tired line of giving Japan a pass because idk maybe anime? is well, tired. If they want to be racist, they can be but it is what it is. And yes saying your country is only for people who were born with a particular racial make up is racist. Iran is less racist than Israel even if i dont like their culture.

▲kurthr 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Something must be done, this is something, we must do it!

Just because something can be done doesn't make it good for the society. Japan has a shrinking population and is currently dependent on immigrants for low wage work. Plenty of actions can make the current problem worse and have unintended consequences. Whether they happen or not is a political question, not a moral one.

Who determined "what they want?" Did you want your government to attack Iran? Are you responsible for it? Why not?

▲reliabilityguy 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Just because something can be done doesn't make it good for the society.

In this case the consequences will make people to elect a better government next time and try better ideas. Democracy at work.

▲zug_zug 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's their problem to solve however they want, if they want. The population shrinking by some large percentage doesn't seem to be inherently bad to me, and probably is good.

It's so laughable to me when people say "BUT THE SHAREHOLDER VALUE!" when we talk about things like the important life trends of millions of people.

▲turkey99 7 hours ago | parent [-]

For Japan, shrinking population will mean an aging population with no one to care for them.

▲rayiner an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not if we have robots and AI.

▲duhher4 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A people can recover from that, though. That's not an existential threat. They may be in for hard times, but they will survive.

Can the same be said of all the populations importing millions of foreigners to prop up "muh GDP"?

▲Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> A people can recover from that, though

Absolutely. They’ll just go through a period of a bunch of social workers discovering a new corpse every three days. Whole towns dying because there is nobody to maintain the public services. The people will get exactly what they were asking for, and they’ll die for it.

▲mikem170 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A few generations ago they were enslaving people [0]. This is what racism can lead to. Maintaining their heritage, their way of life, some would say.

Hopefully their population decline doesn't hit them too hard. But that, and their lack natural of resources, could lead to bad things. Fascists and their ilk thrive in such situations.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Japan#World_War_II

▲Aeolun 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I am not sure in understand the issue, if Japanese want this, what’s the problem?

The problem is I’ve built my life here and they keep treating foreigners as a lesser life form. People here can unironically be standing next to me bitching about foreigners. Then turn to me and say something like “not you, you are fine.”

▲swat535 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Clearly Japanese feel like they don't want immigrants or want very few of them, which is fine.

With these laws, they are pushing 99% of people out while saving face from being called racists.

I think every country should have a right over their borders. Japan wasn't built on multiculturalism like United States or Canada, so I'm not surprised.

That being said, I would probably think twice about traveling to Japan as a tourist.

▲matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | next [-]

United States wasn't exactly built on multiculturalism either.

Laws dating back to 1790 restricted naturalization to white people, which arguably makes the US a sort of white ethnostate from the very beginning. This stuff only really went away after the 1965 Hart-Celler Act, and repealing that act appears to be an objective of the american right wing as of 2026.

It really made me question whether it was possible for a third worlder like me to ever become an american.

▲usernomdeguerre 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I disagree, it's not fine.

▲matheusmoreira an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Plenty of foreigners are in fact quite rude towards their new hosts though. It can and does bring out the worst in people, and I can't say I blame them.

The whole idea of naturalization is to assimilate into the new culture and become one of them. Far too many people just don't put in the effort to do that.

▲rendang 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are a guest in a home that belongs to others. You're not entitled to their indefinite hospitality

▲makeitdouble 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would be fine if it was a well documented recurring issue that plagued society. As is it, it feels more like a canary in the coal mine, for dirtier times to come.

In practice, most visas are short term, and none of them will allow you to benefit from social aids for very long. At most I imagine you could extend your working visa to 5 years, get sick the first year and be at charge for the remaining 4 years ? There will be ink spent on these cases, but statistically how often does that even happen to need stricter laws ?

The current political climates needs the gov to look "Japan First" and these kind of rule change are very cheap to do, especially as the people directly impacted don't vote nor can complain. It goes well with the very anti-foreigner sentiment, especially as the current wave of tourists is very unpopular despite the money coming in.

The longer view is Japan getting less workers in total, yet more of the worse immigrants as they're calling for people who either don't need Japan (have enough money to go anywhere and don't need to think long term) or are willing to take more risks (high return grifts etc.), in a time where Japanese salaries and productivity are already lower than surrounding countries.

They're basically making a bad situation worse, just for short term political play, giving in on the worse trends.

▲wat10000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We’re not allowed to have opinions?

▲bamboozled 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because it's super fucking cruel, are you a human?

This is cruel, populist politics designed to blame foreigners for all the problems and corruption the Japanese government has allowed to go on which has ruined their economy.

There has been a hard right swing by some radical minority parties which gained a lot of popularity fast by spreading Xenophobia online and the major parties have now adopted some of that to stay relevent.

It hurts innocent people just so those in power can stay in power.

Also Japan is a country which basically 100% relies on foreign countries to survive, so maybe the government there should be a bit more careful. For example they get most of their Natural gas from Australia for free..

▲carlosjobim 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is nothing cruel about it. Nobody has been forced to go and live in Japan.

▲Barrin92 3 hours ago | parent [-]

telling a person that has build a successful life after eight years, is assimilated and speaks the language and can support themselves that they have to leave on completely absurd conditions that virtually nobody could meet, including native citizens, is cruel by just about every definition of that term.

Those people have only ever paid in, have much better options than Japan at this point economically given how far the country has fallen behind, and the logical terminus of this is basically being some kind of ethnic chauvinist second world clown country.

If you're even turning skilled tech workers and law abiding people away your immigration problem is solved by virtue of being poor in another 10-20 years. Japan fell below replacement fertility in the 70s, 35% of the population is over 60, good luck caring for those tens of millions of people about to retire.

▲jdw64 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree, but unfortunately, looking at the news from Japan, far-right support rates are higher than one might expect.

So it's true that those in power are harming innocent people in order to maintain their power, but it's also true that Japanese people believe they are being harmed by foreign immigrants.

And some of it is actually true. Of course, conversely, there's also the problem of many Japanese companies hiring Southeast Asian workers at low wages and mistreating them.

But whether it's me as a Korean or Japan, both tend to have a certain authoritarian mindset instilled based on "ethnic" identity. So one aspect of this policy is "we only welcome rich foreigners who spend money and leave," and the media responds accordingly.

Strictly speaking, if you look at these policies strengthening restrictions on foreigners from a third-country perspective, you can see them from the angle of far-rightization. That is, sanctions against outsiders for the sake of internal cohesion[1]. But considering the severe aging population in Japanese industry right now, it's effectively cutting off one's own nose to spite one's face.

However, East Asians receive a somewhat different education from you, so that's how it is.

The real cause is the failure of Abenomics and the resulting weak yen, which benefits financial companies and exports but sacrifices the Japanese people—the incompetence of the regime is the problem. But because it's hard to grasp all of that complex background, people want to attack something else that's near them.

And also, because the morality of some underdeveloped countries (I know it's an example...) differs from that of developed countries, friction often occurs. Just as the sense of time differs between agricultural regions and cities, for instance.

[1]https://csrda.iss.u-tokyo.ac.jp/socialresearch/pr/26PressRel...

▲andrekandre an hour ago | parent [-]

  > The real cause is the failure of Abenomics and the resulting weak yen
i think you are right, there is a lot of over-tourism (and from some places 'rude' tourists that are really aggravating to people) but that is also being caused by weak yen in the end...

whats the saying? everything is downstream from economics?