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▲ meredithbloom 3 hours ago

> "But it booted straight into BASIC. That’s all it did. I was, like, 8 years old. I wasn’t about to learn BASIC. What I learned instead: computers were not as awesome as I’d imagined."

You were the exception. Most kids felt awe. We started learning BASIC and creating "dumb games". That's the origin story of most people my age who ended up in this doomed industry.

▲autoexec 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think you were the exception. Most kids never even knew what BASIC was. If there was a game already on the computer, they'd be happy to play it. If they really liked the game they might learn how to start the game if it wasn't already running, but they didn't care about doing anything else. Kids who were into computers looked at a computer and saw endless possibility. Everybody else played sports outside, watched TV, or hung out with their friends.

▲musicale 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Most kids never even knew what BASIC was

Yet magazines and books commonly published program listings for games in BASIC which many kids somehow managed to type in and run.

▲tptacek 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I did that too. That's what you did with these machines. Deeply unsatisfying! Like: a real lesson in how gnarly real computers actually were. This is my point. You got one of these thingies and thought you could do anything, but it turns out "anything" took on values ranging from "hours to many hours of typing in BASIC listings and then working through inscrutable errors until something showed up on the screen but then crashed". Computers sucked ass!

Until like a year ago.

▲musicale a minute ago | parent | next [-]

Figuring out inscrutable errors seems highly educational. I guess I don't have enough data to determine whether your bad experience was more or less common (probably less common on HN though). I imagine some (like yourself) found computers frustrating and bad, while others (some peer posters on HN) found them frustrating and good!

▲qsera 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>You got one of these thingies and thought you could do anything..

Why did you think that? Did you see people use it like that? anything? really?

For me, computers became intriguing after I started programming in BASIC. Not before that. Before that I was just curious about what the big deal about these things are...

In the literature, there would be passages that describe how computer followed "instructions", but I never could make sense of that or understood what an "instruction" was. So it didn't really sway me either way...

May be your falling the same way for LLMs now..

▲tptacek 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't know probably because I was eight years old.

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▲mitxela an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would you get a computer in that era if you didn't want to learn BASIC?

▲mcmcmc an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Kids weren’t getting computers, their parents were.

▲tptacek 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yes, there was no good reason for us to have had that computer. A friend of the family sold it to us. I had no say! I was like 8.

▲musicale 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

To play the games that were included in books and magazines as BASIC program listings that you could type in and play.

▲popalchemist 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It was probably a function of not just personality type but education. For whatever reason I was taught basic in elementary school as a millennial and it left an impression.

▲autoexec 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Education has to help demystify computers and give people an idea of what they could do with one. Basic seems like a weird choice for a millennial, but at least it had you actually write code instead of abstracting it away into pushing around icons like some of the systems I've seen for teaching young kids about software or even just giving directions to turtles.

▲wild_egg 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why is BASIC a weird choice? It wasn't really a choice at all. All the computers in my school ran it until I was 8 or 9 and the school board could afford to upgrade to Windows machines.

▲AbsurdCensor 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you define a millennial as someone born from 1982-1996, the majority of those kids by the time the had a computer lab (say by the time they were in middle school) would have been too old for BASIC. You are talking 92-06, Windows 95 took over the majority market share by the end of '96, and you are forgetting a whole lot of schools had Apples being pumped in, so a lot less access to BASIC. Unless you were in a programming adjacent class, the majority of millennials weren't learning basic. Ask your non tech millenials how much BASIC they learned and they would look at you like you grew an extra arm.

▲autoexec an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Depending on where you draw the line for millennials the school computers could have been running anything from Windows 95 to Windows XP. BASIC wouldn't have been included in XP or 2000, and depending on what exactly they were using, it may have been easier to use something with more features. QBasic for example wouldn't have syntax highlighting. Simple programs in languages like python or perl can be used to teach the same concepts, with fairly similar syntax, and would have been more applicable to software people were actually writing at the time.

▲milesvp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

10 print "hello"

20 goto 10

▲kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2 hours ago | parent [-]

10 print "<brother's name> is dumb"

20 goto 10

▲senderista an hour ago | parent [-]

s/brother/teacher

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▲thfuran 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Your priors are all out of whack. Most people never learned BASIC, let alone at 8. Programming is much more accessible now than then, but the overwhelming majority of people still don’t know any JavaScript or python or anything else.

▲musicale 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Programming (by humans) is less accessible in 2026 because most personal computing devices don't boot into a programming environment and they don't include a user-friendly programming instruction manual (graphing calculators may be an exception however). And before the era of "there's an app for that" it was assumed that users would need to write their own programs, so systems were designed to support that. Vibe programming (by LLMs) is more accessible however.

BASIC was designed as a simplified, interactive version of FORTRAN that non-experts could learn in an afternoon, but which was still powerful enough for a wide range of applications including numerical methods, simulations, data processing, and games. It was also small enough to implement effectively on a timeshared minicomputer or an 8-bit microcomputer.

Even though the Mac was GUI-based, for a time it shipped with, and promoted, HyperCard, which led to a brief explosion of user-created programs developed as HyperCard stacks.

▲tptacek 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I had Turbo C as a young teenager, but really learned C at the csh prompt of a terminal connected to a giant DG/UX computer in my first summer job.

I actually still don't know BASIC.

▲musicale 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

Unix/Linux historically gave gave you a shell prompt (allowing you to type in shell programs) after login and a C compiler in the box. Modern Ubuntu or macOS technically still have terminal apps and shell prompts, but usually boot into a desktop GUI.

▲wetwater 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You were the exception too. A PC was one of the most expensive items in my house when we bought it. The computer table it sat on was the second most. I was so afraid of doing anything on it that'd break it. Heck I freaked out one time when I shut it down from the power button directly.

▲saadn92 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not even that old, but totally agree with this sentiment. Going to miss those times. It's amazing being able to build whatever you want now, but it's bittersweet because if you truly wanted to learn how to do it, you could do it yourself.

▲AbsurdCensor 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't understand this. Back in the early days of the internet, you absolutely couldn't learn 'how to do it' without finding obscure books or knowing someone. Now though? You can learn all of it, and find the resources almost instantly. Want to build a computer, self host, program, you have millions of resources at your hand.

▲drfloyd51 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was my origin story. I was 8. Tandy CoCo2. I didn’t have a cassette so I had to type all the programs from the books. Again and again.

I hope this makes you feel better: all industries are doomed. But few rise and fall in one lifetime.

▲DASD an hour ago | parent [-]

Same here but with the first CoCo, TRS-80.

▲senderista an hour ago | parent [-]

Anyone remember "The Treasure of Raaka-Tu"?

▲tptacek 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I ended up a systems programmer in this doomed industry. BASIC on a Z80 didn't get me there (exploits on a DG/UX at a library system did.) Different people, different vectors.

▲tribby an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

fond memories modifying the variable for velocity in GORILLA.BAS before I really knew what velocity was :)

▲tptacek 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't remember there being any filesystem at all, let alone FAT.

▲linkregister 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes! I loved BASIC! It was what got me hooked on computers.

▲chr15m 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This was me too, but objectively speaking we were in the minority. Most kids did not learn BASIC.

▲gharman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes! Paraphrasing my childhood:

“Mom, I’m bored will you buy this a new computer game?” “Lol no! Go outside.” “Well crap. I guess I’ll have to write my own game.”

▲cco an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Naw, you had the knack.

▲sublinear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nice attempt at slipping one past, but the industry is far from doomed. Where do you work now that you believe that?

▲echelon an hour ago | parent [-]

Holdouts feel everything is doomed.

Adopters feel the future is brighter than ever.

Article author is excited. I am too.

▲sublinear an hour ago | parent [-]

I exist outside your dichotomy.

I feel like the future is bright precisely because AI sucks so bad while also lowering the bar.

It made people not take software and software engineers for granted. Public perception of software has also finally matured. Boomers and tech CEOs fell into a tarpit that harshly exposes their stupidity while laypeople now feel like they can change the system.

This is all exciting in the best ways. My usage of AI at work and for personal projects goes as far as whatever the AI summary is on google. That's more than enough for me to get enough of a productivity boost on par with those who embarrassingly thrust themselves balls deep and refuse to pull out. Not everyone has to push the "I'm feeling lucky" button to get the same work done at the same pace.

▲tptacek 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

"I exist outside your dichotomy" is one for the ages.

▲piloto_ciego 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"doomed industry?"

Please.

▲theholygrail 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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