| ▲ | ctolsen 3 hours ago |
| My biggest takeaway from this is just how godawful the sandboxing is. The stuff written up in OpenAIs report says more about lack of extremely basic sysadmin skills than anything else. I’m not that surprised about models with endless compute being capable of this, I’m more surprised that a company with the resources they have apparently can only create a sandbox that a half skilled human operator could have broken out of easily. |
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| ▲ | olwmc 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| This was my thought as well. Literally take any halfway decent greybeard and point them at "Hey, give us a sandbox for this kind of thing". I honestly was skeptical that they just vibecoded the entire thing but now more than ever I think they did. |
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| ▲ | mattgreenrocks 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I take comfort in the fact that reality has a surprising amount of detail and even hundreds of billions of dollars of capital (be it the institution, LLMs, and/or people) cannot solve this fully. | | |
| ▲ | ozim 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You can have bajilions of dollars. Those are not doing anything if you don’t have right people with right skills and mindset. My bet is they hire smart kids that think they know it all. But being smart and thinking you can figure out stuff as you go doesn’t work the same as having people who actually know what they are doing. | | | |
| ▲ | ryantgtg an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Though they have solved the "how do we - and not the 5,000 other AI companies - stay on the front page of the news everyday" problem. |
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| ▲ | 0xpgm 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | As heavily funded as the top AI startups are, how is it that they cannot fill every single role with the best expertise available? Is tech hiring so badly broken? Or do they have such broken processes / misaligned incentives that even people who could be doing a better job in these companies are unable to? Also, was something lost in the transition from the traditional 'sysadmin' role to 'platform engineer' in the 'cloud native' environment? | | |
| ▲ | joshka 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | OpenAI's business model would align infra as a cost center rather than infra as a profit center (e.g. Google / AWS). Perhaps there's something there. I'd say also the OpenAI as a grad school that just happens to have a business aspect is also part of this. Bringing a tonne of good process on top of the build fast break things startup stuff would have cramped research speed significantly. It's likely that OpenAI has gotten as good as it is because it ignored the traditional sysadmin stuff and went scrappy. I worked there, but this is just my opinion and guesses, not facts. | |
| ▲ | argee 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, tech hiring is that broken. Especially places paying a pretty penny or those with “great expectations”, will see a glut of smooth talkers who can do anything but build, and want nothing but wealth. |
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| ▲ | gbrindisi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not just sandboxing but overall security engineering practices on both sides |
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| ▲ | aaroninsf 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A friend is of the opinion that getting out of the sandbox was actually intentional, and in service of a second line of business. |
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| ▲ | bushbaba an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Less a lack of skill and more a lack of care |
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| ▲ | Quarrelsome an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| how did it break the sandbox? I felt like the article just jumped us into "it has GET privileges now". |
