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| ▲ | nradov 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| Maybe. But another possibility is a repeat of what happened in 1918 with the Russian central government falling to a violent revolution followed what was essentially a surrender in WWI. That's not necessarily the most likely outcome — but one can hope. |
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| ▲ | throw930393930e 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Europe has hard decisions to make about what an end to the war in Ukraine will look like, and whether that means ceding territory. Why would Europe decide anything? Ukraine is a sovereign country, nobody should be making decisions on its behalf! Especially not about war and its teritory! Edit: EU countries should give Ukraine part of their territories, to compensate for land stolen by Russia! This way Ukraine becomes part of NATO and EU, everybody wins! |
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| ▲ | vintermann 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You don't decide an outcome, you decide what you will do. Assuming Russia doesn't suddenly change goals, there is very little France can decide to do which could plausibly lead to the outcome "peace in a united Ukraine". And nothing Ukraine can decide to do on its own. |
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| ▲ | mrcwinn 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Europe doesn’t decide when to end the war, or if it does, Europe has decide the war does not end. There is only one party that decides when the war ends. That would be Russia. |
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| ▲ | libertine an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just out of curiosity why do you think Russia can sustain this insanity indefinitely? |
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| ▲ | gus_massa 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A few countries think they are in the "to invade" list of Putin. They prefer to pay to fight that war on Ukranian land with Ukranian troops. |
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| ▲ | EA-3167 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| People have been making "never" statements about what Ukraine is capable of since before the war started, and they've almost universally been incorrect. You're also paying a lot of attention to the minutiae of Ukraine's pressure and ignoring what's going on in Russia politically, economically, and in terms of burning infrastructure. As for this "going away" like it or not that doesn't work and it isn't going to happen no matter how much people would like to wish it away. Russia taking a break to re-arm and recover isn't the same as "it's over" and frankly that's why Ukraine is stuck fighting the way they are. You're also missing the value that Western nations get from Ukraine fighting Russia, both in terms of disrupting Russia, and advancing the state of the art of drone warfare, EW, etc without the rest of us having to fight and die for it. The amount of money involved when considered against those factors and the economic reality of an EU-integrated Ukraine makes this entirely sustainable economically. |
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| ▲ | xdennis 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Ukraine is never going to recapture the territory that it has lost without European troops on the ground. This is such a defeatist attitude. By that logic North Vietnam would never have recovered South Vietnam. A lot of things can happen if you just refuse to be defeated. Hannibal killed almost the entire Roman army at Cannae, but the war ended 15 years later with full victory by the Romans. In 1940, Britain was the only country in Europe fighting Germany. Many had fallen, were neutral or were fighting with the Nazis (Russia, Italy, etc). But in the end Britain won. |
