| ▲ | tcdent 3 hours ago | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
As I understand it cane down to one point: Anthropic wanted the ability to review actions that would have an effect on human life. Which sounds sensible on the surface, until you realize that all military organizations have extensive experience with that exact question, and have spent centuries refining their practices. Deferring that to a private company is actually a major regression and a concerning role to pass on to the public regardless. FWIW I am not pro military, but it's a prominent part of human culture and not going away anytime soon. I do understand the nature of professions, however, and only one of these groups has made the interpretation of this question their specialization. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | everforward 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Militaries have a lot of experience, and an exceptionally poor track record. I don’t remember the last war that didn’t have credible evidence of war crimes occurring. Were bombing civilian infrastructure in Iran, Iraq had Abu Ghraib among all the Collateral Damage stuff, the Highway of Death in the Gulf was probably a war crime, Vietnam had My Lai, WWII was the advent of carpet bombing civilian infrastructure. I can’t think of any for Korea, but I also know very little so that doesn’t say much. We still haven’t charged anyone for the second strike on that fishing boat in South America, and I haven’t heard a single rationale for why that’s not a war crime other than “fog of war”. The US doesn’t even really have a meaningful system for finding and prosecuting these, because we aren’t signatories for the ICC and have a bill saying we’ll invade if they charge one of our service members with a war crime. We aren’t basically the furthest thing from having any experience prosecuting war crimes. I can probably count on my fingers the number of cases we’ve tried. We rarely charge our own service members, and we usually kill foreign combatants rather than capture and charge them. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | SillyUsername 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Yes, that's exactly why they used AI to blow up a school murdering a load of kids. That kind of extensive experience. Anthropic did the morally right thing and are being punished for it. The case in point justifies their position. As they say, no good deed goes unpunished. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | daveidol 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
You raise an interesting point. Although wouldn’t Anthropic be the best experts on when a model would be most applicable or likely to falter? I guess my opinion would really depend on the exact wording and details of the arrangement. Lots of people jumping in with strong stances based on pretty limited details. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | cubefox 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
> As I understand it cane down to one point: Anthropic wanted the ability to review actions that would have an effect on human life. This is false. Anthropic wanted assurance that its technology would not be used for fully autonomous weapons or domestic mass surveillance. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | hardbass 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Frankly I would trust Anthropic much more than the US military with human lives. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | felixgallo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
you understand wildly incorrectly; please go and do some research. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||