I would argue the democrats are more a process oriented party. They wouldn’t pull this shit because they care about process - so much so that they wouldn’t even consider half the stuff that’s going on now as it circumvents process.

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reenorap 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Democrats are the same side of the coin as the Republicans.

We, the people, are on the other side.

	▲	cosmicgadget 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Making it a 0/1 situation is really reductive.
	▲	nutjob2 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		What a load of bullshit. There are better candidates and parties and worse ones, they are not all the same. This sort of attitude just feeds voter apathy and resignation. Democracy is an imperfect system, but its much better than the alternatives. If more people paid attention and participated, we would have much better outcomes.
	▲	Braxton1980 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		"Both sides" This is such a tired argument that over simplifies an entire group of people on both sides into a single entity that happens to be the same.

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paulddraper 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In recent history:

* removed filibuster for lower-court nominations ("nuclear option")

* impeached the president twice in a term

* tried that former president in the Senate after his term ended

* expanded mail-in voting en masse

* repeatedly attempted to eliminate 60-vote rule for legislation

I'm not claiming these were illegal, I'm just saying the process adapts to the needs.

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kryogen1c 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> democrats are more a process oriented party

Oh? Thats why Biden tried to run in 2024? Because democrats procedurally try to elect obviously incapable presidents?

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qlte 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's not responsive to OP or coherent at all really, even if rhetorically structured like a gotcha.

Incumbent Presidents in the US almost always run for reelection to a second term, that's the normal expected outcome with vanishingly few exceptions in the last century.

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kryogen1c 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> That's not responsive to OP or coherent

The claim was Ds are more procedural than Rs. Asking what process the Ds followed to attempt to run, and then back out of running, biden (who again, was very obviously and publicly mentally incompetent) is clearly a rebuttal to a presented point.

	▲	rootusrootus 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> who again, was very obviously and publicly mentally incompetent You can repeat that as often as you want, but it doesn't seem well grounded. He's always had a stutter, and since he left office he has given speeches which suggest his mental faculties remain intact. Is he slowing down? Yeah. He's got quite a long ways to go before he's in McConnell territory. In any case, what does his choosing to run have to do with process? Did he violate the process? Seems to me he was following it to a tee.

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malicka 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. Their process prioritizes seniority generally, and this is another case. The process is, if the president wants another go, he gets another go; and he sure as heck wanted another go.

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joquarky an hour ago | parent [-]

So one man's desires become the rule for everyone else? That doesn't sound very democratic.

	▲	Dylan16807 6 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		There's no reason picking someone every 4 years is democratic but every 8 years isn't...

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reenorap 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Don't forget how Harris wasn't even nominated.

And all the shenanigans around 2016 when Bernie Sanders was shut out by the DNC. Even Elizabeth Warren said outright that the DNC rigged the 2016 nomination. I think the outcome would have been very, very different if the DNC didn't fuck with the timeline and forced Hillary as the Dem nominee.