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▲ TuringNYC 11 hours ago

My blood pressure rises everytime i use Enterprise Copilot at work. It seems they truncate message history heavily (to save input token costs?) and Copilot forgets the last thing you told it in the chat. It is like a real-life version of Momento (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/) mixed with Waiting for Gadot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot), pretending to be in league with Anthropic.

▲AnonymousPlanet 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When people ask me why I don't have any Windows machine at home, I say "for health reasons". It really raises my blood pressure and at some point I realised it's not worth it risking my health over it. You could use the same to get away from Copilot.

▲browningstreet 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doing research work with it that outputs any kind of artifact is.. really painful. It constantly crashes, has to regenerate.. and then the output is often very difficult to carry to other Microsoft products, like Sharepoint. I end up creating PDFs that I import.

I'll go ahead and burn working hours on it because I'm getting paid, and people like the things I create.. but it's a very crippled and painful version of what you get with the frontier products and most OSS options.

▲poly2it 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It boggles my mind that Microsoft can fail to deliver even bare minimum working software so consistently, with all the engineering talent they house. What are the product teams doing?

▲TuringNYC 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I feel it is even worse than bare minimum -- it is so bad it infuriates the user. It is hard to get away from that reaction when one uses better alternatives in their personal life.

▲homeonthemtn 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh it's so bad. So so bad.

If you prompted an AI to return answers "as though you habitually ate soap and crayons while mouth breathing" you'd still get a better response than copilot

▲robotnikman an hour ago | parent [-]

Its so bad you would probably get better answers using a 2b parameter local model

▲gregschlom 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Off-topic but I find it amusing that you managed to misspell both movie titles :)

▲TuringNYC 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fair point, that happens when i'm trying to be on MS Teams for a conf call, while watching my claude code terminal and then browsing HN on another monitor :-/

▲singingtoday an hour ago | parent [-]

Sounds like most of us. Are we destroying our brains attention centers? Or working out our context switching?

▲trash88 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Similarly to categorize Beckett as a movie.

▲pavlov 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Indeed they don’t move very much in Godot. More like a standie-sittie than a movie.

▲light_triad 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're right using Microsoft products is like mixing Momento with Waiting for Gadot :)

I recently switched to New Outlook and it's full of weird subtle bugs. It takes them years to fix things and make them barely useable. Given their track record I'm not optimistic for Copilot given both the vision and the execution are questionable at best.

▲RoadieRoller 9 hours ago | parent [-]

My employer installed the new Outlook in the background, and it was forcing me to switch to the new every time I use the old version.

I had to edit Windows Registry to avoid getting prompted every time I open old outlook. I didn’t like the looks or the bugs in the new version.

▲automatic6131 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's such a broken POS. Code snippets, especially for html, frequently don't render, or if they do, they render as rendered html which will frequently be an empty box, and you have to manually (for each snippet box) switch to show code mode.

Trillion dollar industry btw.

▲Gareth321 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's so bad. I'm cool with paying for good products but it's offensively bad.

▲automatic6131 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I can tolerate Teams being a bit mid because the core functionality nearly always works. I can tolerate Outlook being meh because it's doing a lot (nothing I, a lowly IC really need though I can imagine the top hatted boss who does) and I think it does okay with the scope it's tackling.

But the M365 copilot app is inexcusable for being as core to Microslop's strategy.

▲OGWhales 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Huh... not my experience with the "premium" license. The interface isn't as nice and definitely less powerful than something like codex/claude code/whatever, but I don't seem to have any issues with truncation or things like that. I'm usually using 5.6 thinking (not clear which 5.6 model exactly) when I'm using copilot at work. It seems... fine? I always see people here always complaining that it's nerfed, truncates things, etc etc. The only difference I see is that interface isn't as nice nor as powerful, but I don't notice the answers being noticeably worse or anything like that. Occasionally it messes up code block formatting, but that's the only thing I can think of that annoys me.

Now, the "copilots" integrated in certain Microsoft products can be really horrible. I assume those are some sort of custom models that are not very capable, most of them I consider effectively worthless. But the web chat interface where I can pick chatGPT 5.6 seems fine...

▲TuringNYC 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Given you're comparing to codex/claude code you probably arent talking about MS Copilot (e.g. the thing inside MS Teams but also available standalone as MS Copilot 365). Try it out and be convinced :-)

▲saelthavron an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think there is a misunderstanding. I don't recall ever having an issue with it either. Now I don't do anything extreme with it. Just questions, suggestions, or some basic task which are either Microsoft or basic business activity related. I haven't tried anything like coding, deep analysis, or anything complicated. It feels like it is for business tasks so I haven't really tried to push it to do anything outside of that.

▲OGWhales 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think I am! I use it in the browser instead of teams/the desktop app, but my understanding is that it should be the same thing. I do know most people don’t have the premium license for it at my company, not 100% sure what difference that makes but they say it’s better somehow and has access to better models, or at least did at one point.

But yeah, comparing to codex/claude code was a bit silly since those can do way more. It’s closer to the chatGPT. I’m pretty sure 5.6 Luna, not sure exactly since it doesn’t specify Luna/Terra/Sol