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▲ sajithdilshan a day ago

That's why diplomacy is important. There is no scenario that Europe, let alone Ukraine can militarily defeat Russia (a country with nuclear weapons). I understand defending the territory. But what is the end game? fight forever? or mutual destruction?

▲rcxdude a day ago | parent [-]

Kick them out so they gain nothing and have a credible enough deterrent they don't try again. This is also well below the stated threshold for Russia escalating to nukes but well above the threshold of military defeat.

▲sajithdilshan a day ago | parent [-]

what if they cannot be kicked out? fight forever till Ukraine runs out of men to send to war?

▲rcxdude a day ago | parent [-]

Then that is a loss, yes. It is an attritional war: whoever runs out of resources or will first loses. I don't think most of Europe has internalised how big of a loss that would be.