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▲ hashar 4 hours ago

France government has announced NixOS based systems some months ago:

- https://github.com/cloud-gouv/securix a hardened/secured os

- https://github.com/cloud-gouv/bureautix-example an example to use securix to build an office deployment (with some packages https://github.com/cloud-gouv/bureautix-example/blob/main/co... )

▲Lucasoato an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m looking with so much admiration what France has been building in this space, especially the latest gendarmerie transition into open source OS from windows.

The problem though is that there’s always a strong push by French companies and organizations to reject English at any cost, despite the fact that is the most popular language in Europe.

Yes, I get that this is a way to preserve the French language and they have all the rights to do that (in the end, they’re the ones putting the effort in these initiatives) but imagine how faster these ideas could be shared and diffuse in Europe if French understood this. If all the countries in Europe just keep pushing their nationalist ideology instead of truly believing into a united and solid Europe Union, we won’t go any where.

▲RaitoBezarius an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Hi (Sécurix developer), we wrote our documentation in English and in French: https://cloud-gouv.github.io/securix.

Maintaining both languages is hard but we will do our best.

▲LeBit 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

J’imagine que c’est de plus en plus facile de le faire avec l’aide de l’IA!

▲Lucasoato an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Thanks for the amazing work, let’s keep pushing for independent EU-based technology!

▲bloak an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The problem though is that there’s always a strong push by French companies and organizations to reject English at any cost

Interestingly, a French-speaking Canadian who has spent some time in France told me that his right to use the French language is better protected in Canada than it is in France. He thinks that this is a consequence of the reciprocality implied by having more than one official language: French speakers in Canada get the same rights as English speakers, so people are happy to grant rights in return for getting them, whereas in France everyone gets screwed and you end up with a situation in which a French person wanting to do a PhD on French history at a French university has to write their grant application in English.

▲flakes 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Quebec gets weird with their french rules. Parents are not allowed to send their kids to English speaking schools if both of the parents did their own schooling in French.

▲LeBit 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That’s not weird.

That’s pretty judgmental of you.

▲burntpineapple 9 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲nonethewiser an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Yes, I get that this is a way to preserve the French language and they have all the rights to do that (in the end, they’re the ones putting the effort in these initiatives) but imagine how faster these ideas could be shared and diffuse in Europe if French understood this.

Isnt this just baked into the idea? The French are building an OS for internal use for their own interests.

If we then try to extend that or the Dutch OS to other countries we have the original problem of dependence.

▲achenet an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Frenchman here. French companies and organization, in my experience actually really like the English language (at OVH for example, most official docs are in English), but I do think it makes sense for a government funded by people who speak mostly French (ie the French taxpayers) to do stuff in French, the language most of its citizens will be most familiar with.

Putting stuff in English will tend to exclude the less educated, or people who struggle to learn foreign languages.

EDIT: and actually, from looking at the README of https://github.com/cloud-gouv/securix

> Ce README est en français mais le reste du code, les issuers et les PR sont en anglais.

The README is in French but the rest of the code, the issues (they wrote issuers, but that is a typo I suspect) and the PRs are in English.

So. :P

▲LeBit 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Je t’assure que ce besoin qu’on certains français de montrer leur capacité de parler l’anglais, de nommer leurs entreprises avec des noms à connotation anglophone, etc. est considéré très gênant ici du Québec.

▲Lucasoato an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Italianman here, I totally understand and respect your point. I just wish this was a collectively funded initiative, English-first but open to all translations. I’d be so happy if my country understood this and invested in this as well, so kudos to France for leading the tech here!

▲yubblegum an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Dutch have ditched even github. They are thinking ahead.

https://code.overheid.nl/MinBZK/DAWO-NixOS

▲ctolsen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I particularly enjoy the Asterix-adjacent naming scheme.

▲nxobject 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m glad multiple European agencies are giving this a whack - hopefully we’ll end up with a synthesis of the best aspects.

▲pranxxter 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲kthartic 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does it? The EU isn't a single country like the US - it's a partnership of 27 separate countries.

If one country in the UN adopted some new OS, we wouldn't expect every other country (incl the US) to adopt it too.

▲pranxxter 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's an accurate description of the status quo, but it's also a good example of massive inefficiencies in the EU.

FWIW, I'm not saying that I would expect the EU to do a better job than the Dutch government. Likely quite the opposite. But it's frustrating as passionate European... that these problems aren't tackled on a union level. You'd think that's their job? The EU will never compete if it stays a loose partnership of 27 countries, and if it can't even get France, Germany, and the Netherlands to work on this together instead of running 3 separate projects...

▲tweetle_beetle an hour ago | parent [-]

This is the equivalent of two competing startups getting an advantage over an enterprise, just at government scale. It's a good thing.

Two competing products emerge, they are battle tested, opinions form, reviews are conducted. At that point it's a much better time for a significantly larger organisation to create a more focused realistic plan based on learnings and outcomes.

Imagine the analysis paralysis that would set in if the EU tried it from scratch - years of requirements gathering, pilots, reports...

▲innocent_name 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

NixOS is toxic and we all know it, hence the decision. Just show us the last attempts of govt. structures trying to be nice towards nix.

▲queero 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not all of us know, could you give me a hint please? Why is NixOS toxic?

▲innocent_name 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Ask your llm, scroll through some meme pages!

https://x.com/MemesOfNixOS/status/1942271466894217321

▲easyKL 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

- Could you please justify your opinion? - Sure, here you have a link from Twitter And we all get a meme that is not funny.

▲mitxela 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://twiiit.com/MemesOfNixOS/status/1942271466894217321

▲maximilianthe1 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can an OS be toxic?

▲stef25 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> it says a lot about the EU that every government tries to reinvent the same operating system

Yeah what could possibly go wrong