No it's not. If you live in a flat where are you going to charge the thing? Around here there's almost no charging points and the ones that are there are constantly occupied.

I gladly don't own a car but if I did it would be an ICE for sure.

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speedgoose 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You must install chargers. Living in a flat is not a problem if you have plenty of chargers where you park your car.

Not a problem since a decade in Oslo. We have chargers. It’s cheap and relatively easy to install.

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wolvoleo 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Norway is super rich because of oil money though. Easy to do the right thing for the environment when you are loaded with cash. And most of it gained through fossil fuel exploitation.

In the netherlands it's much harder to upgrade the distribution network, right now in many places it's not even possible anymore to build new housing because the network is full and it will take at least a decade to fix it.

	▲	speedgoose 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Installing EV chargers is cheaper than importing oil though.

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Lio 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds like a solvable problem given a short amount of time.

Two things will likely solve it:

1. There's isn't a fixed number of chargers in the world. Eventually the majority of commercial car parking space will have a charging point because they're getting cheaper and it's an easy value add.

2. Charging is getting ever faster and range is growing. 800v platforms are probably the next obvious step but after that something else will come along.

Imagine an EV with 1000 mile range that charges in 5 minutes and costs less than half what the average ICE car does now. It's far fetched but it's not so far fetched.

There are no such improvements on the way for ICE technology.

Electrification is happening right now in the rest of the world and it can't be stopped because it's better technology.

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wolvoleo 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I doubt it will happen in the short term. The number of chargers isn't really the problem, the energy distribution network is, and that is only increasing with faster chargers.

But I don't want a cheaper car anyway, I want better public transport.

	▲	bpt3 15 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> But I don't want a cheaper car anyway, I want better public transport. That's fine, but you're a small minority in most of the world. People want on-demand transportation.

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pitkali 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, eventually it will be solved. But I drive today, and until I can charge the car, there's no point getting the electric one.

	▲	Lio 19 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Well, it's not the distant future we're talking here. This is happening right now. On street charging is being installed in most countries as we speak.
	▲	speedgoose 19 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Indeed.

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lkbm 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean..that's a problem, but apartment-dwellers are around 20% of Americans, and disproportionately the ones who don't need a car at all, and it's not a problem at all apartments.

Does the ICE marketshare only drop to 10-20%? I feel like that could be describes as "it's over".

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imtringued 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Charging infrastructure for flats is expensive at $4k per parking lot, but the charging infrastructure lasts longer than the car, meaning that the primary problem has nothing to do with money and more to do with the fact that it's an all or nothing proposition where everyone has to get on board simultaneously.