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▲ ForHackernews 10 hours ago

What? No, exactly the opposite. It's very easy to jam radio signals and much harder to cut wires. There's a reason the drones on the front lines in Ukraine are dragging fibre optic lines these days.

▲asdff 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There's probably so many ways to get around that with space based technology. I can quickly imagine several methods. It depends on what the system is for which might be a good method to use.

Method 1: same as how u2 planes dumped their data: air drop physical media containing data and catch it in the air.

Method 2: laser based emission to specific detectors.

Method 3: baseball style communication: station is under observation and manipulates in some way to serve as a signalling language.

Method 4: numbers station

Method 5: bill yourself as an isp and have some coded syntax that can be supplied in plain sight with the rest of isp traffic.

▲scheme271 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Method 1 runs into the problem of how to replace that media. The DC is in space so it's not like with U2 planes where they landed. Also, I think you mean the keyhole satellites and not U2 planes, since a plane lands at a secure site and can offload media then.

▲sunbum 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Method 1: Sure datacenters with latency measured in several hours sure are useful, and can also be intercepted Method 2: Can be jammed by drone with laserpointer. Method 3: Let me just transfer gigabytes of data via physical signalling Method 4: Can still be jammed Method 5: Can in fact still be jammed?

▲scottyah 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> Sure datacenters with latency measured in several hours sure are useful

Training models takes weeks, are you really worried about a couple hours?

> Can be jammed by drone with laserpointer

Ok, you're just joking

▲jazzyjackson 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If you’re receiving data optically from a space based laser, yes you are quite vulnerable to your detector being jammed by a much closer laser that doesn’t have to be nearly as powerful to add noise to the signal.

Why do you think GPS is so easy to spoof?

Actually I just googled (clauded?) to learn more about space lasers and found a paper describing interrupting quantum key distribution (tamper evident but not jam proof!) with a 1kw laser on the ground pointed at the satellite! So it really does not take many photons to fuck up an encrypted signal.

“ Vulnerability of Satellite Quantum Key Distribution to Disruption from Ground-Based Lasers”

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8659886/

▲Marha01 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It's very easy to jam radio signals

Definitely not signals from low earth orbit.

▲alexnewman 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But more and more Ukraine is using long range drones guided by SpaceX