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jrflowers 3 hours ago

> Now they realize it does React better than them they want it outlawed.

You think people oppose data centers in their towns to protect their React jobs?

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bigbuppo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Typical programmer thinks everyone is a programmer.

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godwinson__4-8 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

NIMBYism is nothing new and is clearly not what I am talking about.

Try to keep up.

I'm talking about the widening backlash of which knowledge workers are an increasing part. Much of this is coming from people who have never seen a data center in their life and are always going to want critical infrastructure to be built in the next town over.

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sophacles 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You know, here's what i don't understand...

Instead of ranting about nimbyism, why not go to these neighborhoods where people don't want to live next to datacenters, and offer to trade houses with them?

You get the datacenters you want, and they get the place they want without a datacenter. I know you won't, because you only think the consequences of a datacenter next door are just fine when its other people who have to deal with them.

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godwinson__4-8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Wow good one.

What about the water treatment plant? Or the power station? Or the new subway line?

Why don't you go live in the woods since building anything where anyone doesn't want it built is so evil?

Maybe because you only think of the consequences of building things when it's for anything other than AI?

In many places these data centers make communities money. It's really not as black and white as you are making it. If I'm getting paid out I also am not sure why you think it's a trade nobody would make. Maybe you live in a very nice house.

I support UBI. No one should be poor in the United States. My goal would be telling someone "why don't you trade places with someone in x" in the United States should never feel like a threat. If I were to have to reside next to a data center to make this happen then so be it. Data centers are not the problem. Income inequality is. I think you have me confused with someone else.

What's your plan to solve income inequality? Don't build anything, crash the economy, and push more kids into student debt so they can take up bullshit knowledge work jobs?

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nemomarx an hour ago | parent [-]

If they make the communities enough money the community will be happier to let them be built. Try increasing that amount and offering it up front, maybe.

	▲	godwinson__4-8 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I would support that. Companies should do that. Sometimes communities disagree, obviously. Communities that really don't want them often succeed. That's why the administration is throwing such a fit. I don't support that. The administration is the worst advocate for AI because they are so clearly corrupt. If local people pursue their economic self interest at the end of the day that's their right. This whole nimby thing was a diversion from my point about knowledge workers turning on AI. Perhaps I should have just ignored that comment. If people want to stop a local data center then fine. I think it's bad national politics. But if it's helping these companies make better deals or find better places to go then good. What I object to is the doomerism about it, and the uncritical conflation of self interest with civic virtue or robust public policy.

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ipdashc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure? I would be completely fine with a data center next door assuming it's a normal one and not something like xAI's. There are several not too far from me already.

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hardbass an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, easily, I'd happily go there. What does a data center do to me? Nothing.

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kortilla an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a strawman. I’ve watched my own city reject datacenter propositions much to my dismay. Tax revenue thrown away purely on FUD-fueled backlash.

I lived by a datacenter in Cali and would happily do it again. It’s about the most benign form of “industrial” activity you could imagine.

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jrflowers 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Much of this is coming from people who have never seen a data center in their life and are always going to want critical infrastructure to be built in the next town over.

There are React programmers that don’t want AI but do want AI data centers, which they consider critical infrastructure, to be built in the next town over?