| ▲ | paimapi a day ago |
| and all it took was two decades and millions of spend in anti-EV lobbying before they finally gave in, huh (also kind of wild to me that an EV focused blog wouldn't mention this a single time since Toyota is (was?) arguably one of the staunchest and most stubborn anti-EV manufacturers out there) |
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| ▲ | RajuChacha108 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Toyota was broadly right in their approach to EVs. They were pioneers in hybrids. They had excellent hybrid cars like Prius that have been around forever. Their low end cars are extremely fuel efficient too that making them hybrid does not really offer marginal benefits. Now most companies have written off their crazy investments in EVs. Honda has discontinued Prologue and so on. |
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| ▲ | paimapi 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | at first, sure, but they've since donated large amounts of money to climate-change deniers who fight hard against electrification and emission standards https://finance.yahoo.com/news/toyota-scrutinized-after-rest... I do feel like y'all need to read the news more instead of just going by brand rep | |
| ▲ | cknoxrun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They have also been slowly, but surely, moving all their vehicles to HEV/PHEVs (at least in Canada). For example, you can only buy a new Camry, Sienna or Rav-4 (most popular SUV in the world) in hybrid/PHEV form. | | |
| ▲ | foolfoolz 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | PHEV are going away across the industry and solidifying into pure EV or classical hybrid. the market for those who will pay more for the PHEV prefers EV |
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| ▲ | radiator 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They were neither anti-EV in the past nor will they stop producing Internal Combustion Engine vehicles in the future |
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| ▲ | paimapi 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | based on what? there's so many sources noting their anti-EV lobbying https://chargedevs.com/newswire/toyota-actively-lobbies-agai... https://thedriven.io/2026/06/17/japan-car-giants-still-pushi... https://blog.ucs.org/dave-reichmuth/why-does-toyota-oppose-c... and here's their CEO going on a tirade about Japan's EV-adoption mandate: https://evannex.com/blogs/news/puzzled-by-toyota-ceo-s-anti-... | | |
| ▲ | RajuChacha108 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People who have vested interest will make such accusations. I own EVs but I am opposed to "mandates", opposing coercion makes you anti coercion not the objective of coercion. | | |
| ▲ | someonebaggy 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | |
| ▲ | paimapi 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | you read the articles, correct? the ones where they are actively supporting climate-change denying, pro-January 6th Republicans who are actively working on repealing CAFE, emissions standards, and other climate protective standards? also the accusation of 'vested interest' is very funny to me as someone who is proverbially hiding all his liquidity under a mattress (ie bonds) until this AI bubble pops and whose sources are 1) a non-profit and 2) a Union of Concerned Scientists blog | | |
| ▲ | 7734128 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Anyone can write a blog and they can write anything they want there. There's no more value in those links than in a Reddit comment. | | |
| ▲ | paimapi 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | so you'd treat an academic reference text on chemistry as just as prone to bias and as worthless as a reddit comment? if you have other sources that talk about how great Toyota is, that'd be wonderful | |
| ▲ | steelframe 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Or even an HN comment, for that matter. |
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| ▲ | CamperBob2 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Toyota isn't so much pro-internal combustion as pro-hydrogen. They bet on the wrong horse -- a really stupid horse -- and it cost them heavily. | | |
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| ▲ | nunez 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They were AMAZINGLY anti-EV a few years ago. They couldn't shut the heck up about hydrogen being endgame and even shipped a flagship car that used the technology to prove it. (It barely sold, you couldn't refuel it outside of the Bay Area and the entire program was eventually written off.) | |
| ▲ | NewJazz 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't believe either of those statements. |
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| ▲ | rwmj 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was going to say "about time", but actually about 3 years too late. |
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| ▲ | numlock86 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > [...] since Toyota is (was?) arguably one of the staunchest and most stubborn anti-EV manufacturers out there Wait till you hear about German car manufacturers. It's not even that long ago that e.g. Mercedes said that their target audience doesn't want EVs and they will never (!) give in to that market. Now look at them. All of them. |
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| ▲ | aeyes 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | That could be caused by EU regulation because they have to meet fleet emission standards. Pretty much the only way to get there is to sell some EVs. |
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| ▲ | asdfginoi 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am with Toyota on this one. They have done more to reduce carbon emissions than any other automaker. Hybrids, particularly plug-in hybrids, achieve most of the benefits of EVs without any of the tradeoffs, and they make far more efficient use of our limited supply of batteries. Public policy should not insist on one technology to the exclusion of viable alternatives. Fuel cells are stupid, though. |
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| ▲ | paimapi 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | please, I beg of you HNers, maybe read the news instead of just going by your brand sentiment https://www.citizen.org/article/driving-denial-how-toyotas-u... > Over the last three electoral cycles, Toyota has become the top auto industry financier of climate deniers[4]. It has helped to finance campaigns of 207 climate-denying congressional candidates, more than twice as many as Ford and nearly 50% more than General Motors, the only other automakers with federal political action committees (PACs) > [Toyota] is bankrolling an army of climate denying lawmakers and lobbying aggressively against emissions and fuel economy standards | | |
| ▲ | asdfginoi 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | From a few posts upstream: >and all it took was two decades and millions of spend in anti-EV lobbying before they finally gave in, huh EVs are a stupid idea and will remain so for the foreseeable future. If you want to complain about their funding of climate deniers, complain about that. But don't criticize them for their justified dismissal of the EV mania. I am disappointed Toyota is making EVs now. That doesn't mean I am a fan of the company; I don't even own a car. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > EVs are a stupid idea I am so glad that there are manufacturers who disagree with you, because I would cry real tears if I were forced to go back to ICE. | |
| ▲ | paimapi 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | what's your objection to EVs? what are the alternatives? | | |
| ▲ | 0x457 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > what are the alternatives? HEV, PHEV, ICE. All are valid alternatives. Hydrogen cars are stupid though. | | |
| ▲ | erxam 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Gas is closing in on >6$/gal and my country produces no oil but a ton of electricity. How are any of those supposed to help? |
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| ▲ | NewJazz 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | We don't really have a limited supply of batteries. At least not so limited as to prevent every passenger vehicle having a large enough one. I mean for gosh sakes, they make semitrucks, boats, and planes with batteries. Huge grid storage systems as well. |
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| ▲ | Apocryphon 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Don't they have existing EV models, though? |
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| ▲ | paimapi 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | https://blog.ucs.org/dave-reichmuth/why-does-toyota-oppose-c... it's sunk cost on their hydrogen cell R&D - they want there to still be room for that instead of going with electrification but they have to diversify their portfolio to keep up with markets > "Toyota in particular has been vocal that they are uninterested in making ZEVs available in California. [...] Toyota has invested in hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles [instead]." | |
| ▲ | loloquwowndueo 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yep bz, chr, bz woodland and the upcoming highlander Bev, at least - but they’re late to the game for sure. | |
| ▲ | rwmj 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They have large electric cars / SUVs, but not small EVs. | | |
| ▲ | NewJazz 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | To be fair that's true of most manufacturers. Nobody wanted to go head to head with the Tesla M3, except Hyundai I guess but then they discontinued the Ioniq 6 IIRC. | | |
| ▲ | WorldMaker 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's true in the US market. Europe and Asia are seeing a flood of smaller EV cars from Dacia, Renault, BYD, VW, Fiat and far more. The US is getting left behind. |
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