This isn't taking my argument in good faith. Occupation resistance is none of the things you've stated and the reality of Zionism doesn't match your description, even remotely. If people break into your house, murder your family, then move in. You have every right to fight back. This is a historical standard well accepted by international groups. The Haitian Slave revolt, Pueblo revolt and Warsaw rebellion are all other analogous examples.

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chmod775 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Fighting back is legitimate. Doing so by essentially any means is not. The murder of civilians is where any side loses my support.

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newspaper1 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They're not "civilians" if they're living on stolen land. Again, this is a very well accepted standard.

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chmod775 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We all live on land that at some point someone else considered their own.

Also I can tell just and unjust apart on my own, and I do not need some "international group" or "historical standard" to stand in for my frontal lobe and morals. Thank you very much.

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newspaper1 3 hours ago | parent [-]

We do live on stolen land, and when the indigenous fought back and killed people living on that land it was valid resistance:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pueblo_Revolt

> I do not need some "international group" or "historical standard" to replace my frontal lobe and cognitive empathy. Thank you very much.

While understandable, this is a privileged take from someone who didn't have their family murdered by occupiers.

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chmod775 3 hours ago | parent [-]

History is barbaric and abhorrent. I'd rather we aim higher than use it to justify modern-day cruelty.

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newspaper1 3 hours ago | parent [-]

But this is the point! Israel and the Zionists are reenacting the worst crime in human history (the genocide and colonization of the Americas). They are, in 2026 doing what the Spanish did in the 1600s and getting the same resulting rebellion from the occupied people.

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I'm throttled, but I'll leave you with my final thought...

I won't condemn resistance. I would never condemn people who fight occupation and genocide. I don't see us closing this gap, but I hope you can try to imagine what it was like if you were a slave, an indigenous American or a Palestinian. If you were really in their situation, what would you do? It's also worth mentioning that the Palestinians have tried peaceful resistance and the Israelis sniped thousands of them, including children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_...

> The same is true for the other side.

More than 64,000 children have been killed in Gaza and only 19% of Israelis think the IDF have gone too far and 34% think they haven't gone far enough:

https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/more-50000-children-killed...

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-...

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		> But this is the point! Israel and the Zionists are reenacting the worst crime in human history (the genocide and colonization of the Americas). They are, in 2026 doing what the Spanish did in the 1600s and getting the same resulting rebellion from the occupied people. Yes, but I will still condemn both sides, even if one is merely responding in kind. If it was in my power, I'd lock them all up. Hamas' and Israel's leadership, as well as anyone who directly comitted those acts. Then I'd replace Israel/Palestine with something democratic similar to Lebanon's solution of accomodating multiple major religions. > If you were really in their situation, what would you do? I am perfectly confident that the average palestinian would not go through with killing a civilian Israeli woman or child even if you loaded and pointed the gun for them. The same is true for the other side. The Israeli government/IDF and Hamas represent the worst of both.

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