| ▲ | famouswaffles 36 minutes ago | |
>Now it seems reasoning is also yielding diminishing returns Is the diminishing returns in the room with us? >so all the labs are pivoting to specializing in particular fields like math / infosec / biology. They're not pivoting to anything. The goal has always been creating a machine that could automate all or nearly all human work. They're just coming along on that mission. As for RSI...I think the term is a bit odd in the modern context. It was created at a time when conventional wisdom was that generally intelligent machines would be these logic automatons that could "alter their own code". Instead we have massive neural networks that take months to train. In this paradigm, the ways a LLM could "improve itself" would be altering its own weights directly or creating and training better, vastly more efficient architectures for the next generation of models. The former is probably not happening but the latter is possible. | ||
| ▲ | jackb4040 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | |
Yes, diminishing returns. Not overall, they've still been able to create more intelligent models even up to today. But the strategy for scaling that intelligence has shifted. From the initial ChatGPT release to GPT-4.1, they were basically scaling up compute training compute / model size. Then 4.5 flopped, while o1 demonstrated that gains could continue by reasoning (scaling up compute at inference time). o1 is now the ancestor of all their flagship models from GPT-5 on. This is why I'm trying so hard to drill down on the theory of scaling, and not just talk about improvement in general, hand-wavy terms. If the bottleneck of current scaling strategies is training data, or something fundamental about the model architecture, then just throwing more harnessed chatbots at it won't lead to an exponential increase in performance. Now you could argue that the AI we have now will help us find that change in architecture, and I would agree. But that means we're firmly outside the singularity for the time being, and what people are in fact talking about is a hypothetical. | ||