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EA-3167 3 hours ago

They’ve been building out every form of power generation they can. Nuclear, solar, wind and fossil. It’s all skyrocketing.

The talking point that they’re going green doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

https://www.globalelectricity.org/china-electricity-producti...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China

bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That link is out of date. China's coal share fell under 50% this year (your link says 58%), and their CO2 emissions dropped 1% the first half of 2026.

So yes, it can be reasonably claimed that China is greening. "greening", not "green" -- 49.7% coal is still a lot of CO2.

https://finance.yahoo.com/energy/articles/china-pushes-coal-...

ericmay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe emissions fell because industrial activity fell instead? Maybe oil and gas have been used less because the cost has risen. Maybe that explains coal as well depending on how it is used. I’m speculating coal might be used in the production of steel - what if that product is highly tariffed in the US and EU so China had to cut back?

China is “greening” but we should be skeptical that it’s out of some lofty moral goal. If it was they wouldn’t be hoarding the production of rare earth minerals and would be freely giving away technology for the sake of the planet.

triceratops 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> China is “greening” but we should be skeptical that it’s out of some lofty moral goal

Why does the "why" matter? Tons of carbon are tons of carbon, right? That's what people say when you tell them about per-capita emissions.

> they wouldn’t be hoarding the production of rare earth minerals and would be freely giving away technology for the sake of the planet.

You can freely buy as many cheap panels and batteries and EVs and heat pumps from China as you like (unless your country is stupid enough to tariff or ban them). Those come with minerals. When they reach end-of-life they can be recycled.

What exactly are they "hoarding" that the planet needs to go green? It hasn't prevented Pakistan or Vietnam from going ham on PV deployment.

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EA-3167 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh you're correct, the same thing is happening in India without any of the nonsense fanfare.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-coal-power-drops-in-chi...

https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/span-...

You can see the same dips hit at the same time for the same reason.

In terms of Chinese coal though there's a reason boosters always talk about percentages and not absolute number... one goes down, but the other keeps rising. Even if China continues on the current course in terms of tonnage burned they won't reach "peak coal" until at least 2030.

rgmerk an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

To add to this, China’s overall greenhouse gas emissions have been flat or declining for a couple of years now: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-co2-emissions-ha...

EA-3167 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

Your own link says the following:

> After the first three quarters of the year, China’s CO2 emissions in 2025 are now finely balanced between a small fall or rise, depending on what happens in the last quarter.

And then goes on to describe how the largest drop (3%) is happening at a time when it just happens that fuel is increasingly expensive and scarce, shipping is increasingly expensive and slow, and the global economy has spent months grinding increasingly towards a terrible outcome.

People might as well brag about their incredible weight loss journey through amputation.

triceratops 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fossil is flat or declining. Everything else is skyrocketing.

nradov 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never claimed that China is "going green" (whatever that means), merely that they're gradually reducing their dependence on imported fossil fuels.

XorNot 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

China can be going green while also refusing to constrain it's economic growth on the short term.

When you actually build things, throwing up a coal plant for 10 years because you need it while you grow your solar and battery industries or wait for reactors to cover your base load is just sensible.

All narratives about China always have this static world baked into them: "they're currently like this, and that's all they'll ever be". But China develops fast. Shenzhen was a farming village by a ditch. 10 years ago buying a Chinese car was inconceivable - I took delivery on one yesterday, etc.

At some point in the very near future China is going to hit a cross over point on their emissions and they'll start falling fast because reactors + renewables will be building out fast enough they'll want the coal plants gone - no one likes ruling over a polluted wasteland.

Edit: it can also be the case that they don't care at all about going green...but renewable energy technology is the most sovereign possible energy security. No one can take away your access to the sun.