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▲ repeekad 2 days ago

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▲UnfitFootprint a day ago | parent | next [-]

Excluding the fact that drug addicts are still humans deserving love, care and the opportunity to recuperate - fostering a clean & safe transit environment is practically a solved problem internationally.

Maybe the moral depravity of SF breeds truly irredeemable addicts, but as someone whos met a lot of troubled people and ridden a lot of public transit your statement seems alarmingly and unhelpfully critical

▲cyberrock a day ago | parent | next [-]

>fostering a clean & safe transit environment is practically a solved problem internationally.

In your opinion, what is that solution? If we take a survey of the highest ranked transit systems, it seems like most solutions involve not allowing drug users to use transit systems, whether it's the unthinkable in Asian countries or peppering the system with officers and cameras in Berlin and London. Is that really treating them with love?

Considering how much often I smell alcohol and weed in Waymos, maybe it's actually the most tolerant solution.

▲graemep a day ago | parent [-]

London's public transport was safe before the cameras became common. Its something everyone used, and everyone let their kids use, decades ago. Affluent people commuted from the Surrey "stockbroker belt" to London at least as far back as the 70s. Kids used trains and busses to go to school- some of my friends did at least as young as eight.

▲bko a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's nothing compassionate, loving or caring letting people kill themselves consuming hard drugs.

▲jimbob45 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲madeofpalk a day ago | parent | next [-]

The situation is weird. No one thinks like this, or it isn't a problem, in cities that actually have good public transport. A drug addict has never entered my mind when riding public transport in London, Paris, Sydney, Tokyo, etc.

▲numpad0 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IMO the root cause of problems you guys are having is internalized classism and strong affections with the idea of natural selection. You can have a homogeneous society with good welfare and not worry too much about spoiling ourselves, a near or even actual communism with extremely subsidized educations can still have bloodbath levels of internal competitions. You can do that and then you can make it weird for tons of over/under class people with absolutely no way out to be just there in plain sight.

▲archagon a day ago | parent | prev [-]

I live in the heart of the Mission and I endorse that quote from the parent comment 100%.

Once every few days I even share public transit with a homeless person! Oh, the horror!!

The people I see out on the street are suffering terribly, sick, unable to escape the gravity of their situations, and the vast majority are not malicious. Anyone who does not see this has chipped away key bits of their own soul.

▲shrubby 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Drug addicts,when treated properly, are alright manageable. Without treatment or support these creations of a dog eat dog world become unpredictable.

▲alwaysmrno a day ago | parent | next [-]

No Absolutely not. I have had enough to do with them to believe this lie. They are broken people that are ruled by the drugs they are taking. they can be manageable when they have had their dose, but their entire life and existence is ruled by the need to find drugs for the next shot. And believe me. When they feel that withdrawal they do not give a flying F about you or your rights. They need that drug. People should not be forced to be around junkies

▲serbuvlad a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Not to get too political, but if you're right, why does it seem like societies which do not tolerate drug use have much fewer problems with rampant drug use than societies which tolerate it?

▲notnaut a day ago | parent [-]

“Tolerate” is doing a lot of lifting here. You responded to someone saying treatment and support make addiction manageable. In the United States we had drug companies devising as many ways to make a profit off pain pills for years, so there’s tolerance, but when people started losing their jobs and their minds in mass due to the poison these companies were knowingly getting their customers addicted to, there was no plan or inclination for treatment or support.

▲hiddencost 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Disagree lol.

We could move the entire population of San Francisco into full time care for very little compared to what we're spending on AI.

▲mahboi a day ago | parent [-]

They'd have to consent.

▲shafyy a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you arguing that the reason that the public transportation system in SF sucks is because of drug addicts? LOL

▲charcircuit 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲Arainach a day ago | parent [-]

> enacting the death penalty for substance abuse

May you never see progress on such a horrifying goal.

▲charcircuit a day ago | parent [-]

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