| ▲ | post-it an hour ago |
| Access is so good. I can't believe there's no universal equivalent for Linux and Mac. There are dozens of times when I've used a spreadsheet when a file-based database would have been better. |
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| ▲ | alwillis 37 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Access is so good. I can't believe there's no universal equivalent for Linux and Mac. On the Mac, it's FileMaker,[1] which was released in 1985. Claris is a subsidiary of Apple. [1]: https://www.claris.com/blog/2026/claris-filemaker-2026-is-no... |
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| ▲ | flopsamjetsam 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So glad to see Filemaker is still alive! I had thought it had gone in one of Apple's software culls years ago. |
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| ▲ | nullsmack an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm shocked in general at the lack of open source Rapid Application Development software. |
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| ▲ | eterm an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Someone will no doubt correct my hazy memory, but I wonder how much to blame was the fact that default QT apps were so ugly around the time that was the height of RAD, and QT was the only(?) well-supported cross-platform cross-DE gui framework at that time. On windows you could RAD your way to a good looking windows application that looked and behaved like everything else. On linux, default behaviour was either ugly, or not very compatible, or heavily customised anyway, and that didn't change until much later with improvements to GTK. | | |
| ▲ | jordand an hour ago | parent [-] | | For RAD, Delphi was filling a pretty big niche in its day, and it's still used in some companies local to me. I remember being told during an interview that it performs really well and it's kept up well enough with the changing times. I knew someone from University about 10 years ago that got her first Software job writing Delphi! |
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| ▲ | Lammy 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Nerds have vested interests (exposure/influence/status based on exclusivity of skill) to oppose letting ”the wrong people” create software, versus a company like Microsoft is the other way around because they get paid and get to further-entrench their platforms (but I repeat myself). And/or too many people have internalized a feeling of “I am Very Smart because I know better than to ever try anything unique”, as exemplified by that awful xkcd ‘Standards’ learned-helplessness comic somebody will always rush to post in a discussion of any New Thing, and thus would never even dream of creating RAD tools whose entire premise is the creation of bespoke software. | |
| ▲ | ChickeNES 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well, (F)OSS projects have never been known for great UI/UX (with some exceptions like Blender), so it doesn't surprise me much | |
| ▲ | progmetaldev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think Microsoft coming out with XAML/WPF created too much complexity for most of the developers that were working with WinForms. Although the code had better separation from the interface, it also took quite a bit more effort to get an application up and running quickly. They took the "R" out of RAD, and then kind of put both WinForms and WPF on life support, while continuing to tout cross-platform on .NET Core without a first-party GUI platform. Now it just looks like Azure was always going to be the solution, to tie users into a platform they don't fully control. | |
| ▲ | AshamedCaptain an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There have been shitloads of open source RADs. They do not generate much interest. | |
| ▲ | markus_zhang an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Probably because *nix programmers in general are the black coffee long beard RTFM type. | |
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| ▲ | flowerlad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Access is so good. I can't believe there's no universal equivalent for Linux and Mac. Here you go: https://visualdb.com There are many modern alternatives, in fact. |
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| ▲ | jordand 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I've looked into these before and they're often a monthly/annual SaaS that are either by a one-person company, or worse, something like AirTable that gets crazy price hikes out of nowhere (or shut down) that's a disaster for a small company. Place I worked already had Microsoft Office paid for so why move away from Access. | | |
| ▲ | flowerlad 36 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If it works for you then there is no need to switch. But Access is a desktop app, and in 2026 it is pretty unusual to use a desktop app for business applications. Also, Microsoft is no longer developing Access. | | |
| ▲ | jordand 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | In 2026, Microsoft Access is still fully supported and bundled into Microsoft 365 Enterprise subscriptions. Back in 2014, I'd said to my employer that it's not going anywhere for at least a decade (and that they can fully ignore a report they'd received from the NDPB that oversaw their work that suggested Access might be at risk of disappearing) | | |
| ▲ | flowerlad 19 minutes ago | parent [-] | | As long as it has a significant number of users Microsoft will keep shipping it. But it is not getting significant new investment. If you are building a new application you're better off using Power Apps, Dataverse, SharePoint, Power Automate, etc. |
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| ▲ | criddell 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Microsoft is no longer developing Access I don’t think that’s true. |
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| ▲ | criddell 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | That seems to be missing an actual database. Access has everything included. Run Access.exe and away you go. This looks way more complicated. | | |
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| ▲ | progmetaldev an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the mid-2000's, I built a lot of applications replacing Access. I always met with the actual users of the system, and made sure they understood that once I took over development, they weren't going to be able to build out their own forms anymore. A few clients were turned away, but most could live with paying for myself to make any future edits, so that they could concentrate on the business objective rather than coding in Access. I never really had the same success with replacing Excel, except for a few systems where it needed to be true multi-user. |
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| ▲ | Atotalnoob an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Sqlite? |
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| ▲ | kstrauser an hour ago | parent [-] | | Access is a whole package with form designers, widgets, scripting, etc. so that you can build an entire distributable app from it. SQLite's a brilliant little DB but it only covers a tiny portion of what Access does. I kinda loathe access for any number of reasons, but appreciate the dev tools it put into the hands of non-developers. A great many people who'd be passive users on most systems were able to build apps to meet their business and requirements, and although Access was janky as hell, that's very, very cool. I think it's most spiritually similar to HyperCard on Mac: you wouldn't want to write a whole large app in it, and if you're an experienced developer there are any number of tools you'd rather write programs with. But if you weren't a traditional developer (e.g. an office worker or a student or a home computer enthusiast, etc.) it gave you a pleasant hand-holding process for making your ideas come to life. I respect that. | | |
| ▲ | cowboylowrez 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I thought gambas was interesting but I didn't do much with it. | | |
| ▲ | kstrauser 13 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Gambas was neat. I think we also looked at Kivy at the time, and I think there were a couple of other Python RAD systems that aimed to be similar to VFP in spirit, although not even slightly compatible. |
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