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ocdtrekkie a day ago

As a SaaS customer, interacting with SaaS vendors tends to entail:

1. Finding out a company wants several grand to flip the "allow SAML" switch on the tenant config, and a few thousand a year in additional licensing to leave it on. (I had a vendor both tell me it "takes five minutes" to get it set up, and then quote me $4,800 to "implement" it.)

2. Having to yell at the SaaS vendor for routing the identity connection between two or three other identity providers in different various clouds because, you know "modern stuff". (A vendor I am working with has not less than five different accounts to access various parts of their infrastructure, none of which are connected at all. I assume people there listened to "switch to OIDC" nonsense, completed half the job, and now have OIDC sites and SAML sites forever.)

3. Discovering the SaaS vendor knows how Entra works, how Okta works, and how Google auth works, and having no idea how SAML works. Or OIDC or anything else for that matter.

4. Eventually finding an engineer far enough from the sales and implementation teams who can answer how the product actually works. :D This point is reached after a lot of yelling.

antonymoose a day ago | parent [-]

> 1. Finding out a company wants several grand to flip the "allow SAML" switch on the tenant config, and a few thousand a year in additional licensing to leave it on. (I had a vendor both tell me it "takes five minutes" to get it set up, and then quote me $4,800 to "implement" it.)

If I’m paying for at least one Senior to build and support this awful enterprise authentication pattern, I’m looking at around 200k per year in total cost - you damn well bet I’m billing you for it!

beachy a day ago | parent [-]

You do know about Keycloak right?

antonymoose a day ago | parent [-]

You do know that the “Total Cost of Ownership” is non-zero?

beachy a day ago | parent [-]

I do but $200K per year actual cost is taking the piss.

antonymoose 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The total cost to employee a Senior Software Engineer, and I mean a real one, not some kid with three years experience, including benefits, taxes, etc. easily gets up to 200K in a normal city at a non-FAANG job.

Im sorry if your UK salaries are much smaller, but I’m not P Diddy taking anyone’s piss out here m8!

beachy 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Not denying that, but if its a full time job for that person to monitor the keycloak machines for a typical SaaS vendor then something's wrong at mill cobber (may have used that wrongly as not English)