| ▲ | rdevsrex a day ago |
| There is one benefit that Jev has, that it is not OpenAI and thus it's probably less likely to steal your own work. |
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| ▲ | docheinestages a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| > that it is not OpenAI For now. Any company that grows to OpenAI/Anthropic's size and gets VC money is ought to become greedy. |
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| ▲ | Andrex a day ago | parent [-] | | Or OpenAI just buys them outright. Buying your upstart competitor seems to be in the Silicon Valley Ten Commandments. The Fed whussed-out on breaking up FB and Insta last year, so there's never going to be any kind of remediation to worry about. And for Jev, everyone has a price, and OpenAI's raised an historical amount of funding. |
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| ▲ | SubiculumCode a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not steal, but keep it indefinitely, per the JEV TOS |
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| ▲ | linhvn a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Every company would use your data and "steal" it at some point. VC money would demand it the moment the pressure is up. |
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| ▲ | heaney-555 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is a tired argument that needs actual evidence to go beyond the level of a conspiracy theory. |
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| ▲ | Tanjreeve a day ago | parent [-] | | TIL the terms of service are a conspiracy theory. | | |
| ▲ | gruez a day ago | parent [-] | | Which clause? For instance openrouter lists openai as "Logs: this provider may retain prompts, but does not use them for training." https://openrouter.ai/openai/gpt-6-astra#providers | | |
| ▲ | Tanjreeve 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why would we be talking about model routers in the context of it being a conspiracy theory that OpenAI is ingesting data from users for training? Are you acting obtuse or do you genuinely not reading/following the conversation? They are all very open about it. It's likely the reason why the frontier labs are ok paying many more dollars a person in compute than they receive as revenue on subscription users for now. Here is OpenAIs page https://openai.com/policies/how-your-data-is-used-to-improve... >When you share your content with us, it helps our models become more accurate and better at solving your specific problems And as a bonus here is anthropics saying the same thing https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/10023580-is-my-data-u... Especially if you're doing something in a very sparsely populated part of their latent space it just makes sense that it would get used. Their biggest problem getting solved at the moment is going beyond what common crawl enables. I await the standard goal post moving. | | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it's in the TOS, and your settings, and they have pages describing it, and it's the reason they're willing to subsidize your usage, and in your own words "they are all very open about it", then how exactly are they "stealing your work" here, which was the original point about this being a conspiracy theory? |
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