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kqp a day ago

Relatedly, Apple finally kicked me off the quick update bandwagon with macOS/iOS 26, and I was surprised to learn that no, Apple does not let you just say no to updates. You get a permanent red badge that you can only dismiss by fully turning off system notifications, you get nagged literally thousands of times, and if any of those times you don’t repeat your rejection quickly enough, it overrides your non-consent and updates. That’s all with updates turned off. HN comment sections had led me to believe that consensual updates are a pro of Apple over Windows and an example of Apple’s class, but they don’t exist, the actual software is everything people lambast Windows for.

sda2 a day ago | parent | next [-]

I have a script to add an /etc/hosts entry for `127.0.0.1 gdmf.apple.com` and that seems to eliminate any nagging, just remove when it's time to update.

Barbing a day ago | parent [-]

Nice. Someone made a site to notify for updates when you have that subdomain blocked.

https://github.com/travisvn/stop-tahoe-update/issues/19#issu...

This was after Apple broke the trick to prevent Tahoe update nags.

eviks a day ago | parent [-]

You'll miss security updates following that site

Obscurity4340 a day ago | parent | next [-]

Probably ad updates too tho

eviks 21 hours ago | parent [-]

That's unlikely, those come with the regular version

wpm 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh, whatever

hobo123 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And even if you have automatic updates turned off, Apple will still start downloading the 15 gigs for MacOS 27, just in case...

itopaloglu83 a day ago | parent | next [-]

And disable certain features like Apple Pay if you don’t have auto-updates enabled.

lightedman a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Sounds like an unauthorized access of my computer - a fine of a dollar per byte, per person, should make Apple turn the hell around. 15 billion dollars times how many Apple users that have been wronged in this manner? Apple would be dead instantly.

Johnny555 a day ago | parent [-]

I think you'll find that you agreed to it somewhere in their voluminous terms of service.

I looked it up and indeed, it's in section 1, paragraph C:

Your Device will periodically check with Apple for Apple Software Changes. If a change is available, the change may automatically download and install onto your Device and, if applicable, your peripheral devices. By using the Apple Software, you agree that Apple may download and install automatic Apple Software Changes onto your Device and your peripheral devices.

https://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS26_iPadOS26.pdf

1718627440 14 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Which is why your parent says this behaviour should be fined. Laws override "consent" between contracting parties.

Johnny555 6 hours ago | parent [-]

He said it's "unauthorized access of his computer", even though he implicitly authorized it by clicking through the agreement (apparently without reading it).

If people actually read these clickthrough agreements and started sending devices back when they don't agree, it would encourage the industry to change.

No one "needs" an iPhone, they can support one of the open source phones with far less onerous terms.

nmeagent 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

IMO the notion that such one-sided agreements are not made under duress needs to die in a fire. I wish there were a viable grassroots political movement to remove the corporate boot from our neck; until that point, fuck these terms of servitude and every abuse they enable.

1718627440 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Often these clauses ARE deemed null and void, but you need to bring it to a court and who has time for that?

negura 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The nagging notifications are only a small part. Apple has far more effective ways of forcing updates on you. On iPhones, for instance, the Unicode tables ship with the OS version, so unless you update, you cannot render newly added emoji codepoints. Given how central emojis have become to pop culture - and how determined the Unicode Consortium seems to keep adding more of them - the whole situation almost looks like a conspiracy, if you squint. But that's just the tip of the iceberg.

In the App Store, Apple won't let you filter for apps compatible with your iOS version. So sooner or later, you have to manually try installing every search result just to see whether it errors out. There's no explanation for not adding such a trivial filter other than to annoy users on purpose. Without jailbreaking, you also can't install earlier (compatible) versions of a given app. And by the way, updating iOS eventually just turns into buying a new iPhone, once the latest iOS no longer supports your device at all.

But the worst part is how critical software components are bundled with the OS too. On iPhone, that means WebKit. So very soon your Internet browsing experience starts to rot, because the only way to get a version supporting the latest Web standards is to update the whole of iOS. Likewise, on Macs, your runtimes/frameworks are bundled as well, so you can't update them individually. Eventually, the only way to install even non-native apps is to update the whole macOS.

This is what you sign up for when you buy an Apple product. Apple has mastered the art of tempting you without letting you realize what's really going on until it's too late. Apple was, is, and always will be evil. The clue is in their logo.

layer8 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You can turn off the nagging by joining the Beta updates (profile) for the older major iOS version.

This is not to excuse Apple, just a useful trick.

mahboi a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have automatically download and install (separate toggles) disabled, and it obeys that. Might be notifying me, I don't remember.

srmatto a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Well it wasn't always this way. There was a time a few years ago (~4?) where you absolutely could avoid updates.