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| ▲ | aogaili 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't know..I doubt for example it can come up with special relatively if it has knowledge up until 1905. But I think that is what makes it so good at coding, because coding and building software in general has a lot of repeated problems in different context. Same thing for human lives, many think their story or situation are unique, but reality is that the shape of human life has been repeated many many times. I'd say novel math or scientific theories..let us say we send a robot to space, and we ask to build a colony. A lot of the challenges this robot will face will be novel, it could use inspirations of what humans did on earth, but it might get stuck when things don't work as expected and training data has nothing to build on..but then again we might teach it how to run experiments etc, which would result in data that it can use..but some of those experiments might require imagination or breakthrough in understanding..my guess is that it will get stuck there... |
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| ▲ | gus_massa 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The Lorentz transformations were pretty close to special relativity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformation I don't claim that I could have discover it, but in a parallel universe without Einstein I expect it to be discovered, perhaps 10 years later, but there were a lot of breadcrumbs in 1904. General relativity is harder, but Poincare was somewhat oriented in the right direction. Perhaps AI can discover the final step. Quantum mechanics is harder. You need like 25 years and a few unintuitive leaps to discover it. I guess it's too hard for AI in 2026, but remember to check again in 2027. | | |
| ▲ | aogaili 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the current architecture is limited. To quote Einstein directly: ----- Viereck (Interviewer): How do you account for your discoveries? Through intuition or inspiration? Einstein: Discussing intuition and his confidence in relativity, noting he was convinced the 1919 eclipse would confirm his hypothesis. Viereck: Then you trust more to your imagination than to your knowledge? Einstein: I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. ----- I think we need more breakthroughs to build AI that can "draw freely upon imagination" to quote Einstein describing his process. That is just my guess. | | |
| ▲ | gus_massa 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | «Whether you stand on the shoulders of giants or on a pile of agents, the result is the same: you see a little further.» |
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| ▲ | Kotlopou 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | David Hilbert presented the field equations of general relativity within a few weeks of Einstein, so if anything GR was more sure to appear than SR, which took years for others to even notice (Einstein became famous only after the 1919 experiment that confirmed GR). Pertinently to the recent Navier-Stokes drama, there was very little controversy between the two and they both admitted that the other got some aspect better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_di... | | |
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| ▲ | LegionMammal978 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://mathoverflow.net/q/511601 is a fun little math problem that came up in one of my projects, I didn't have any reason to expect it to be particularly tough, but none of the models I've thrown at it have been able to solve it past a few minor reductions and special cases. I expect that there is some relatively easy-to-state solution to this problem, but that it's different in form from what most existing proofs and tools yield. Perhaps if I dumped millions of dollars into it an agent might chance on the solution. Or perhaps my luck is such that my fun little problem is truly intractable... |
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| ▲ | mjburgess 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| A child walking for the first time. Novelty is easiest agent-relative. A problem is novel for an agent if there is no prior experiences of techniques which work to solve it. |
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| ▲ | bragr 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is that a completely novel problem? Babies spend roughly a year watching us walk before they do so. | | |
| ▲ | brokensegue 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They also have custom brain bits evolved to aid in this task | |
| ▲ | mjburgess 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was defining novelty somewhat more narrowly. The 'program' a child must learn concerns the coordination of its sensory-motor system. It has no prior experience of similar programs in the program-class Walking (ie., the internal sensory-motor actions needed to walk) . So we could call the problem of learning to walk a novel one for that child. I'd be surprised if direct observation of parents etc. played much of a direct role in learning to walk. I would guess it more furnishes the child's imagination so it can simulate itself walking -- rather than the statistical AI approach of 'learning the distribution of walking patterns in visual sensation'. The ability to simulate possible programs is one of the capacities which enable coping with novel circumstances. My guess is the child learns to walk by updating its simulation of what it needs to do in order to walk, by its attempts to walk. This simulation<->sensory-motor-update loop is missing in LLMs, for example. | |
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| ▲ | SoftTalker 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some animals walk within minutes of being born. Of course on four legs it's probably easier. |
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| ▲ | suddenlybananas 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Walking is actually innate behaviour, it just occurs relatively late in maturation for humans. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >A child walking for the first time Um, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but we have bipedal robots that walk and run rather well now. https://docs.nvidia.com/learning/physical-ai/index.html https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/use-cases/robot-learning/ |
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| ▲ | the_sleaze_ 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Find a way to connect quantum maths with special relativity maths Waves hands, and make no mistakes" "Prove or disprove string theory in pure mathematics, reply in Caveman speech" |
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| ▲ | gus_massa 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is solved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_equation All the news from the CERN including the Higgs boson include under the hood those transformation or a slightly more modern variant. The hard part is mixing General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. | |
| ▲ | sebzim4500 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Find a way to connect quantum maths with special relativity maths Waves hands, and make no mistakes I think you mean general relativity, connecting quantum mechanics with special relativity is just QFT |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well it's an old one at this point, but the story around the invention of the 1-time pad is pretty interesting. Long story short, a new engineer who didn't know the problem was considered "impossible" was tasked with sorting it out, and he did. I'm sure I left out a lot of details. |
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| ▲ | booty 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why was this considered "impossible?" It's a brilliant idea, of course. But being considered "impossible" means it was considered previously and decided to be impossible. No? I mean, crpytographically, it's ultra-trivial. You "just" need to solve the logistical issues of (1) shortwave radio existing (2) figuring out how to make sure your field agents possess and are not caught with the disposable one-time codes. I am surprised anybody would consider that impossible. (I hope I am not downplaying the brilliance of the one-time pad idea itself) |
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| ▲ | skeptic_ai 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Anything that an ai can do is not novel /s |
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| ▲ | pixl97 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You jest, but this is the content of a considerable number of serious posts here on HN. | |
| ▲ | john_strinlai 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | this appears to be where the goalposts are being moved to, indeed. | | |
| ▲ | aogaili 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | just because humans couldn't solve does not mean the necessary technique were not already discovered...we have agents that don't get tired and has access to all humanity knowledge, the building blocks could be there already.. this is not moving the goalposts, this is try to understand what this tech truly able and not able to do. |
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| ▲ | aogaili 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Actually I think this is true, remove the s. Reminds of what Einstein said, imagination is more important than knowledge..might be his deepest insight ever. | | |
| ▲ | adsmit14 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He needed his friend and math genius, Marcel Grossman, to turn his imagination into a workable theory. AI may be our own personal Marcel Grossman at this point. | | | |
| ▲ | aogaili 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Here is his quote: "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world,” means that facts alone only describe what currently exists, while imagination allows us to discover what is yet unproven or unbuilt" This probably sums up the current AI limitation nicely. |
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