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krapp a day ago

The entire draw of coding with LLMs is that you can generate programs without knowing how to code. That's literally what "vibe coding" is. Why would it surprise you that people who do know how to code, and don't hate the process the way a lot of AI enthusiasts seem to, might not find them useful?

You'll find plenty of people on HN who have this experience,but they just tend to be ridiculed or told they just haven't used AI correctly or enough. Admitting you don't use LLMs for everything, or god forbid at all, is like telling Christians you don't want to be saved.

aogaili a day ago | parent [-]

Because they can easily get outcompeted by those who care about software/output and use the latest tools? might as well code in assembly and brag about it.

I'm not here condemning people who use or not use. We have a new tech, for anyone who have been in the field long enough, it is nothing short of magic was has been accomplished in the last few years.

I could turn around 10K lines of code per day (I know it's not the best measurement but it does capture size to some extent) when I was not able to pull more than a 100 LOC. Let us say that most of it work, and there are few rough edges, a senior programmer can follow the shape of the code, and understand where to tweak and where the LLM get stuck. So this is basically like having racing engine compared to running.

krapp a day ago | parent [-]

Companies get outcompeted, individual coders don't. And not everyone wants to be the Thomas Kinkade of coding, just cranking product out as fast as possible. And products that "use the latest tools" don't always "outcompete" those that don't. Most of what gets vibe coded - as demonstrated by what gets posted to Show HN - is qualitatively worse than the equivalent human-written software. It certainly isn't better, and there's no indication that velocity to market leads to market dominance.

To metaquote a recent thread - where is the vibe-coded replacement for Photoshop that outcompetes it? or Word? Why aren't vibe-coded games dominating Steam?

The speed alone doesn't translate to productivity and productivity alone doesn't translate to quality.

aogaili 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Sorry - I really don't think you know what you are taking about.

aogaili 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Let me leave with something we agree on at least:

"The speed alone doesn't translate to productivity and productivity alone doesn't translate to quality."

krapp 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And I don't think you know what you're talking about. Good day.

aogaili 19 hours ago | parent [-]

you too :)