| ▲ | throw0101c 5 hours ago |
| > After first boot, go through a long list of things to deactivate so that one can experience at least some feeling of agency and privacy when using your own hardware. The difference is that you can actually not set these things up: with Windows you often have to choice. Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them, whereas to avoid a Microsoft cloud account there are magic CLI incantations that have to be invoked. And once you say "no", Apple generally leaves you alone. I don't mind a bit of 'upsell' or informing (new) users of available offerings, as long as I get a choice. |
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| ▲ | butlike 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Since 200gb is quite low, the next tier up is 2tb for $9.99, but then you're essentially locked in. I can't view the iCloud price tiers as anything other than predatory. |
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| ▲ | officeplant 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But 50GB is $0.99 and I'm only really paying for it since I have a bunch of their private email addresses in use. iPhone backup with just the essentials I trust them with is less than 2GB. I don't know how I would even begin to fill the 50GB plan since I don't trust any cloud storage provider with pictures and videos. | |
| ▲ | throwaway27448 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The issue with iCloud is that before you even know it, you're paying $9.99/mo. Sounds like the issue is you. | | |
| ▲ | swiftcoder 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Sounds like the issue is you. Oh, c'mon. The entire services division exists to sell you things like this. And they are very good at it - 25% of Apple's total revenue | | |
| ▲ | throwaway27448 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What's your point? icloud is hardly necessary for anything. | | |
| ▲ | asdff 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It is designed to entrap people who don't really think about their tech. I know a few people who are in a sort of "late stage icloud" moment with their iPhone. Their phone started filling up with photos and videos years ago. So rather than transfer to some external storage, as they might not even have a working mental concept of a file system let alone a personal computer that isn't work issued anymore for that matter, they started having to buy bigger and bigger storage capacity iphones. Eventually those got full too, so they had to go to icloud and a few have basically maxed out their icloud 2tb plans, because these phones are now producing huge files and recording in 4k I guess even though you are still just looking at it on a 5 inch diagonal screen like in the 5mp phone era. The damn icloud previews can fill up your phones internal storage even with everything technically shoved off to icloud. Frankly even if you know what you are doing apple doesn't make this easy. Image Capture is afaik the only real way to transfer photos to an external drive on iphone. And that app has not really seen any love since release, its buggy and frequently crashes with large transfers in my experience. It does weird things like if you select 13 photos to delete, it will delete them but not remove selection having the next 13 photo block pre selected for reasons that are unclear (Maybe the devs know how terrible the transfer experience is so they make it easy for you to throttle the job to like 250 photo chunks with this ui quirk). And what is worse, those icloud previews technically don't exist in the eyes of Image Capture, so those won't be transferred over let alone show up in the image previews. |
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| ▲ | moose333 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Macs allow you to not have an iCloud account and run just fine without them Until you need to install an app through the App store. Even a free app will refuse to install without an iCloud account. Frustrating when you want something with a verified source, for me it was Wireguard, and don't want to build it locally. |
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| ▲ | 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | throwaway27448 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Until you need to install an app through the App store. Do you have an example of needing to go through the app store? There's apple's apps, I guess. | |
| ▲ | reaperducer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's on Wireguard. If they can apt get on Ubuntu, they can likely brew install on macOS. |
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