Yes but you are not me, I am me. I don't know you are conscious or can "feel". Both you and an LLM present themselves using words and other external indications only. If you argue brain scans, then similar experiments have been done on LLMs too.

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lolakutty 2 hours ago | parent [-]

To my argument to work, to answer "why is a brain special", you only have to consider two things.

1. That you are conscious.

2. That you have a human body with a brain.

This implies that your body can harbor consciousness. That is what is special about your body in this context. And that answers your question.

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hardbass 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes and? Where is your disproof that other physical systems can't hold consciousness?

I am sure of my body, I am not sure of you. I can feel, but how do I know you are not faking the outputs of feeling?

1. Scooters can move from a place to a place. 2. That a scooter has a body with an engine.

Therefore scooters are special and cars don't exist.

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lolakutty 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>but how do I know you are not faking the outputs of feeling?

You won't..but it does not matter.

>Where is your disproof that other physical systems can't hold consciousness?

I said no such thing. Just that there is no reason to think that LLMs are conscious. If we find some natural or artificial entity with some unknown and un-inspectable thing inside it, that behaves in an intelligent manner, I would not be sure that it is not conscious.

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hardbass 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why unknown? The human brain is known and inspectable, then you should say it is not conscious. You haven't yet shown why you think an LLM can't be conscious. You are just saying "just because" with no reason or parameters given.

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lolakutty 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>The human brain is known and inspectable, then you should say it is not conscious.

Human brain is not "inspectable".

> LLM can't be conscious.

Because there is no reason to think so, and suggestion that would be like suggesting the existence of ghosts and goblins.

Extremely unscientific.

	▲	hardbass 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		So what is the reason to not think it can be conscious? Brains are physical systems, so are LLMs. How is a human brain not inspectable? Tell me what part of it is beyond inspection? You have been making up absurd non sequiturs throughout this chat, ending with this beyond absurd statement now.