| ▲ | grahamlee an hour ago |
| The Sun model of beefy server, ultra-thin client worked incredibly well and presaged the widespread adoption of virtualisation that eventually led to cloud computing and containerised software. Unfortunately that model made it very easy to undercut their prices using commodity hardware; I managed a Solaris/Sun Ray network c.2004 and it was cheaper to switch to Linux/Intel and buy spare hardware to keep in a cupboard “just in case” than to keep the Sun network going through its support contract. |
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| ▲ | titzer an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I worked at Sun labs and used a Sun Ray daily for a whole summer. It worked...OK. Definitely not "Incredibly well". We had a network of a few hundred Sun Rays and two E10Ks backing it. More than a million for the servers and $1000k a piece for the Sun Rays was not cheap. Basically any $1000 laptop was more powerful, without the need for a crazy powerful Sun server. The experience of taking out my ID card, walking down the hall to another cubicle and popping it in and getting my session was magical. But I did that less than once a week, so I don't think it was overall worth it. The Sun Rays also had a pretty crappy LCD, about 1-2 years behind the SoTA. It was a cool idea. It will keep coming back again and again. But at Sun's price points around the early 2000s, it was a loser, and I actually agree with the market in this instance. Sun Ray was a flop. |
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| ▲ | arethuza an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | "It will keep coming back again and again." It lived on in the world of Windows Terminal Services and things like Citrix - maybe still does in some places. | | | |
| ▲ | abhiyerra 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Chromebooks… |
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| ▲ | alpineman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is this how the whole LLM thing will go down once providers raise prices? |
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| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe - ask me in 20 years... Nobody knows how the future will be. There are lots of options. There are self hostable open models today - they are not as good, but some report they are good enough. Right now I don't have the hardware to try them (I could - if I'm willing to accept a small number of tokens per minute - useful means more tokens per second as I can get in an hour). However I expect in a few years I'll be able buy consumer hardware with good enough GPUs (or perhaps an AI chip???). Will anyone other than a few hobbyists buy them? time will tell. | |
| ▲ | dizhn 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think prices will go down not up eventually and everybody will have access to it in abundance. That might make most current AI companies go down of course. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Remember, "The Network is the Computer". Which is why it is kind of ironic having folks discussing microservices as something groundbreaking. |
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| ▲ | dijit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| it is often cheaper to buy a spare of something and throw it in a cupboard rather than have a support contract. I have a bunch of Aruba switches and this is what we do, because it's a lot cheaper. |
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| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent [-] | | If you are only buying a single spare that is the case. Support contracts make sense when you would want several dozen spares. | | |
| ▲ | dijit an hour ago | parent [-] | | if a support contract is 70% of the cost of something, then for every 2 of something a spare is cheaper. For Aruba I think it was 1:1; a support contract was the same price as the device itself over 2 years or something. Support contracts never cover a "site" they always cover individual devices, so your cost scales with the amount you have... so I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.. Unless you mean to imply that you're replacing units more than once every 2 years, in which case of course you're right... but then I might consider going with another vendor entirely because that is a pretty terrible reliability record. | | |
| ▲ | bluGill an hour ago | parent [-] | | There are lots of different support contracts. Some of them really do cover the entire site. You seem to not realize the scale of a large data center. If every device lasts 5 years you are replacing 10 per day is not unheard of. |
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| ▲ | miohtama an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Java applets! |