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anilakar 2 hours ago

> Everyone who fears immigration is going to take their job should read this and realize that fear is not only false

This is only because immigrants are willing to do jobs at wages and working conditions that locals do not accept. Employers in the Finnish berry industry were just jailed for human trafficking. Meanwhile the same companies have been loudly complaining that no Finn wants to work for them.

matheusmoreira 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

But would the corporarions raise salaries and improve conditions if they had literally no other choice? That is the question.

Unionization demonstrably leverages benefits out of corporations, so I'm inclined to think that immigration bans would have the same effect.

hnfong an hour ago | parent [-]

That's the question the article was trying to answer.

>>> "If you don't allow firms to hire immigrant workers, they just become smaller firms," Lewis said. "They are not replaced with US workers. Instead, the output of the firm shrinks, and there are fewer total workers."

So, no, if they had no choice they just shrink their operations, it seems. The apparent conclusion is that immigration bans will just force those companies to reduce operations or shut down, instead of paying higher wages to locals.

matheusmoreira 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In this experiment, only some firms lost access to foreign labor.

The outcome could have been different had all of them lost access due to a foreign labor ban.

mejutoco 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They could open subsidiaries in other countries instead. Corporations are multinational entities.

jltsiren an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Finnish wild berry industry does not really make sense. Imported cultivated berries set an effective price ceiling, which isn't high enough to hire Finnish workers. The ones you could hire are not productive enough, and the ones who could get the job done have better options.

There are similar issues in agriculture, hospitality, and construction. Many jobs are seasonal and require you to live away from home. And because the outputs are supposed to be affordable, they don't pay enough to support you for the rest of the year. So you need an actual job, which is probably nicer and pays enough that you don't want the seasonal job anymore.

kakacik an hour ago | parent [-]

> And because the outputs are supposed to be affordable

Well market forces will quickly align these back to reality, unless somebody will keep pumping in tons of money to subsidize this.