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twelve40 5 hours ago

> We (humans) should help humanity flourish. I understand that not everyone agrees. I have been called a “speciesist” for being “too human-centric”.

this is insane. the "speciesist" people aside (the best way for all other species to flourish is for humans to eradicate themselves right now, which is completely mad), i have the opposite problem: the _axiom_ seems to be: we should help ME flourish. "Me" as in people who are raking in trillions for their own very special selves right now, at the cost of everyone else's future, while none of them can be trusted to hold my cell phone for a second.

> if an industry commits to the axiom of helping humanity flourish

where does he see such industries, outside of maybe nonprofits?

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sinuhe69 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As I understand you referred to Elon Musk. But this is Poh Shen Loh talking. If you don’t know who he is, look up or at least read his articles.

twelve40 5 hours ago | parent [-]

weird bias by authority aside, do you really think that the daily decisions in this world today, and anytime soon, will be made based on the "let humanity flourish axiom"?

sinuhe69 4 hours ago | parent [-]

In daily decisions perhaps not, and certainly not when we were in the cave. But from time to time, we will face fundamental questions that need addressing clearly and decisively, and I believe it’s the case with AI. The more advances we make, the more frequent such questions will arise. That is also one of the main reasons why we don’t see any alien civilization. It’s getting harder and harder to keep the entropy low as we gain more knowledges and cognitive power.

buildingapcin20 3 hours ago | parent [-]

How's humanity tackling that climate change question then? Lots of talk. Even lots of action I would argue. And yet, not enough. Why do you think that's going to change with discussions around AI when there are trillions of dollars at stake?

unsupp0rted 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If Elon Musk was primarily driven by making more money, there'd be many easier ways than what he's been doing and is actively working toward doing

Whether you think he's evil or good or whatever, at least we can agree that he's smart enough to know how to make a lot of money from his existing assets without working 12~18 hours doing one moonshot after another.

mettamage 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nobody in their right mind would start a rocket company in order to make more money. I feel like he just wants to play real life Factorio and he wants everyone to tune in on his Twitch account and watch him play. Meanwhile he was trying to fix democracy [1] (and protect his own companies) by buying Twitter and at some point he realized he fucked up.

But who knows, I could be wrong.

I'm not exactly a fan. I'm not exactly against him either. He just seems like a hardcore geek to me that got way too much money and way too much buy-in.

[1] I'm not saying I that I think he was fixing democracy. I'm saying that I think that he thought he was fixing democracy.

kelvinjps10 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Meanwhile he was trying to fix democracy . He was literally giving checks for people if they voted a certain way and promoted it. There is not more anti democratic than this.

slopinthebag 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

right because true democracy is when you give cheques to people to convince other people to vote a certain way

sigmoid10 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Well, he is famous for axing down middle management in companies. Might as well get rid of Super PACs and buy voters directly.

croon 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't understand how those two are connected. Both are bad though.

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twelve40 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is really a matter of taste, but i (personal opinion) think that Zuck, Karp, Thiel and others who (partly by sucking the inauguration dick) have the ear of the current powers that be, produce much more demented shit than Musk. But the exact personalities really don't matter, the whole jolly crew running the show does not seem very humanistic in their writings or actions.