| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 7 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
That just feels like a slightly different false equivalence - and having said that, I may be making yet another version of it by saying this: If a person has a 'state', but that state would immediately jail the person for treason upon their return, is that materially different to stateless? That feels like the reason that many countries allow 'political asylum'. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | iamnothere 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
I see what you’re saying, but true stateless people often have a different problem on their hands, because most countries won’t allow them entry at all unless they can get refugee status, and they will often be denied basic rights. Some people actually voluntarily seek statelessness, but they’re either crazy or have enough resources to fly under the radar somewhere. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness Snowden’s status is more of a political exile. Theoretically he could return legally and safely if there was a complete regime change where the new regime was aligned with his beliefs and actions, although the chances of this happening are approximately zero. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | firesteelrain 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
He wasn’t stateless. Stateless means no country recognizes you as a citizen. He just faced arrest if he returned. Same as any other fugitive. People seeking asylum still have a country and citizenship. Also he wasn’t facing treason charges. He was charged under the Espionage Act and with theft of government property. There were others in similar situations that faced up to 45 months in prison and Eric Holder was willing to make a deal in 2015. He basically is on self imposed exile in Russia. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | viccis 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
It's not a "false equivalence". Multiple people are trying to explain to you what "stateless" actually means and how's it's materially different than being a fugitive, but you are refusing to listen. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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