| ▲ | motionlessveloc 7 hours ago |
| So where's Snowden in all this? The article talks at great length about everybody he gave copies to and how they've all gone silent, but obviously he holds copies as well and is not beholden to the US on what he does with them. (Although he is surely on a short leash with his Russian masters as well.) |
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| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > In January 2014, he told a German TV interviewer that he gave all of his information to American journalists reporting on American issues.[56] During his first American TV interview, in May 2014, Snowden said he had protected himself from Russian leverage by destroying the material he had been holding before landing in Moscow [0] Also, please refer to a reply to a similar comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49781990 [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Hong_Kong |
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| ▲ | 0110101001 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Because I know that's what we'd all do when fleeing our home country with a couple million highly desirable classified documents, attempting to avoid prosecution. We'd all make sure to "protect" ourselves from "leverage" by the people who might (and ultimately did) help us achieve our goals by destroying our one and only bargaining chip. | | |
| ▲ | BLKNSLVR 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | His autobiography is worth reading. Yes, he wrote it, so it can be skewed all kinds of whichways to suit his agenda, but the picture it paints is of someone born into the US establishment (government / military / intelligence) and essentially a strong belief in the outward impression the US presents to the world. Freedom and Liberty! I may be all kinds of naive in saying this, but I think he did it for relatively purely "the US must be better than this" motivations. I can't see his motivation being of the same ilk as The Cambridge Five. | |
| ▲ | whatshisface 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People with ordinary levels of moral weakness would never become whistleblowers in the first place. They'd keep their excellent, comfortable and stimulating government careers. |
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| ▲ | walrus01 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm pretty sure he's staying quiet as fuck because he doesn't want to come to any public attention and get deported from Russia. Which would mean he would end up on a one way trip for life to ADX Florence. I haven't seen anything out of him since 2022 on the topic of the russia/ukraine war for instance. Edit: If I would have to guess, he has some form of Russian intelligence minders who are responsible for oversight of him and his lifestyle and public profile (the russians aren't stupid, of course they have such people), and he has specifically told them he's going to remain completely quiet on everything political and make no further public statements of any sort |
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| ▲ | dinfinity 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's also very clear that he took enormous risks out of the good of his heart and basically gave up his life for absolutely jack shit; it changed absolutely nothing. I'd be incredibly surprised if he isn't very cynical, resentful and hedonistic at this point. | | |
| ▲ | lern_too_spel 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > it changed absolutely nothing. The single potentially illegal US government program in the leaks was shut down, the big email providers require SMTP over TLS, and https everywhere happened as a direct result of the leaks. > I'd be incredibly surprised if he isn't very cynical, resentful and hedonistic at this point. The guy still doesn't understand PRISM. He's a tinfoil hat wearing high school dropout, so I wouldn't be surprised about a lot of things regarding his mental state. | | |
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| ▲ | TiredOfLife 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | For somebody staying quiet as fuck he sure likes to repost russian bs. | |
| ▲ | Drupon 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't even tell if this is posted in earnest, or satire, or some sort of highly advanced shitpost I am failing to grasp the nature of. | | |
| ▲ | Drupon 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm an American citizen who read news about Ukraine back when it was a niche thing to care about and I have Ukrainian friends who tell me how it's going. You can't imagine how stressful it is to live there and get drafted into their drone target lottery. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela an hour ago | parent [-] | | And your proposed solution to that is, uh, surrender to Stalin in the hopes he stops hurting your guys when you surrender? |
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| ▲ | Calavar 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is a classic Russian perspective on the war - that Ukraine is a gang of neo-Nazis that are dead set on eliminating Russian speakers from Ukraine by force. Russians will further claim that this gang of Russophobic neo-Nazis is led by Zelenskyy, a Jewish man who speaks Russian as his mother tongue and Ukrainian as a second language. The absurdity of this claim should be self evident. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | FYI "Jewish Nazi" isn't actually an oxymoron. In WW2 there were hundreds of thousands of Nazi party members who were Jews - they mostly got gassed along with the other Jews. Plus the whole Palestine thing. Zelenskiy isn't a Nazi, but the reason he isn't a Nazi isn't because he's Jewish. | |
| ▲ | Drupon 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Remind me and other readers, what did the Tornado battalion do, and what did Zelensky do with them? Also, remind me, when did the Ukrainian parliament last celebrate the Nazi collaborator (Bandera) during its new years posts? |
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