For some reason the anti-AI camp ping pongs between different and often mutually incompatible arguments at lightning speed. The "AI is fake" argument has been completely forgotten at this point.

> For some reason the anti-AI camp ping pongs

Is the anti-AI camp with us in the room right now? Or is it a crude strawman to summarily denigrate any objections to certain features of current AI?

AI isn't some homogeneous mass, it can have good and bad sides, and it's always amendable to improvement. Treating the current state of AI as the only possible hides the very idea of improvement.

> between different and often mutually incompatible arguments at lightning speed.

Of course - there's no homogeneous AI camp either, but there are bot farms, sh^t-posters and sh^t-posting bot farms, different entities with different opinions should not be mistaken for a single stream changing at "lightning speed".

You are confusing multiple people making multiple different arguments, and those people your are talking about often aren't articulate enough about their ideas.

There are many mutually independent opinions about AI from IT crowd.

- AI is extremely useful for many individuals.

- AI is extremely damaging to our society as a whole.

- AI companies possibly may be (or at least were) deep in red and possibly would require bailing out.

- AI is not going anywhere.

- A person can use AI extensively AND genuinely hate it and forecast general economic slump because of it at the same time.

And likely many other ideas in the same vein. And by the way, I'm not here saying that I'm anywhere good about describing the issues about AI, those items above are just some examples to illustrate the scope of opinions.

My point is that you can't just take one single argument from a big group of people, deconstruct it (correctly or incorrectly, it doesn't matter) and then claim that ALL arguments of such big group of people are false. It's not a constructive dialog.

PS: also despite the accusations of goal-post shifting, a vast majority of opinions here on HN didn't actually change over the past few years.

A person accirately describing highly hyped project is ... a person accurately describing flaws of that thing.

Nah, you still see those people posting here, saying that LLMs are useless for coding. I have no idea what they’re on about at this point.