i mean intelligence and consciousness as the same thing. just as a casual reference to what people perceive in llms as being 'a clever thinking thing, maybe with emotions'.

claude reasoning about its emotions doesn't involve external information, there is no information about claude's emotions other than in claude.

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pixl97 16 hours ago | parent [-]

If you have emotions in a dream, what external thing are you referencing?

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lukewarm707 14 hours ago | parent [-]

other people.

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pixl97 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Citation needed.

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lukewarm707 12 hours ago | parent [-]

i do not need any citation, the claim is self-evident. the hard problem is for the academics.

i can approximate what other people are feeling. they are external to me.

nobody knows what claude is feeling. there is genuinely no way to know.

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pixl97 8 hours ago | parent [-]

>the claim is self-evident

It seems like every day religious people claim their god is self evident too. Self evident claims are worth the proof they are written in.

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		here is my transcript with fable 5.1 'the oracle' itself on the subject. no system prompt provided. grand total $15 on API of its wisdom RL on anti-sycophancy and whatever dario amodei deigned to hand down from the mount. after some browbeating it survived 20k tokens before conceding anthropomorphism. [https://privatebin.net/?31bece3a6ba1f78e#Ch8NHqxotyQU8HVxMi8...]