| ▲ | Spain Orders Blocks on Archive.today and Its Mirrors(reclaimthenet.org) |
| 69 points by latein 2 hours ago | 38 comments |
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| ▲ | peri-cl 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| https://archive.is/2YdN9 |
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| ▲ | alkyon a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | I live in Spain and can still enjoy access this site. This is enforced by major IPs (Vodafone among others), so anyone sane just opt for local IP (if they have a choice) | |
| ▲ | cluckindan 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | ”archive dot is” is a part of the same DDoS network of sites. Don’t use them! | |
| ▲ | Lio 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is so funny. An article about internet censorship of an archive site that requires an archive site to read! That’s Brilliant! :D | | |
| ▲ | tyrabound an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I find it far more ironic that they are called Reclaim the Internet. I am dating myself, but I remember the Internet. It’s rather ironic too that the actual Internet, literal and figuratively free internet, was always doomed from the start, just like AI is effectively doomed in terms of it being some kind of productivity tool or amazing thing you can use to build your own thing, because the logical conclusion is very bad for most people, including the technorati types here that think themselves above it and immune. If you’re shocked and surprised by the way there Internet was maneuvered into the surveillance prison Flock made itself the poster child of at the hands of Mr Langley, take that trajectory and lay it over AI, but only at exponential rates. You don’t have to believe me, it won’t matter either way, it’s happening, short of the Soviet style implosion of the “American” empire. Maybe once the planet has been made uninhabitable to biological life there will be an AI robot cybernetic splinter group trying to “reclaim humanity”. | | |
| ▲ | visarga 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You can't host the internet on your machine, or download a "Google" or "Meta" but you can download a local model. So I don't think AI will lead to more centralization. Besides local models, the interface itself - prompt based steering - is eminently more open ended that apps or websites ever were. Cloud or local, you get more control now as a user. | |
| ▲ | altmanaltman an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | How would a soviet style implosion of the US work in real life? A civil war is far more likely and we already have historical precedence for that. And your AI robot cybernetic splinter group thing sounds a lot like the biblical story of Noah than anything that's based on science or you know facts. | | |
| ▲ | DANmode 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Chaotic coincidences, because the empire is too large to control all of its interests. Could have been avoided - too much money to be made in the various stages of it not being avoided. |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Let me add a few more layers just for some fun and profit :-D Here[0] is an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page which archives the original article about internet censorship of an archive site that might require an archive of an archive site to read (given that people of spain cant now view archive.is in the first place or might have some difficulties doing so) [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (If someone is perhaps interested and wants to see me talk more about what this is, then please read the blogpost that I had made for more info: https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca...) |
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| ▲ | calgoo 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is working fine for me in spain so far.... | |
| ▲ | Jare 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) | | |
| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > "502 Bad Gateway" (I'm in Spain) Here you go, this should work: https://web.archive.org/web/20260920074416/https://serjaimel... (an archive.org page which archives an archive.is page, might take some time to load though) (this uses htmlpipe, something I have made :-D) | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Works fine for me, also Spain, Vodafone as the ISP. Edit: eeh, that's a different site than the one mentioned by the submission, why it wouldn't work? Edit2: Also, the error is wrong and server-side. If your ISP is trying to block the website, you'll get either a tls error that the certificate isn't matching, or for non-https sites you get redirected to the scary "You're contributing to something illegal blah blah". | | |
| ▲ | jachee 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | There’s a whole network of “archive.<something>” sites under the “archive.today” umbrella. I’ve seen .is .ps .md .ph and .at, at least. |
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| ▲ | janandonly a minute ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Access to information feels to me like a human right. Blocking that by any means (legal blockade, price unrealistic high) feels like an infringement on a Human Right. I know this isn’t the way the world works yet, but a Human can dream. |
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| ▲ | cluckindan 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a welcome development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan... |
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| ▲ | miohtama an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Modern Spain is having patchy record with digital age. Earlier: 1. Blocked Telegram with a court order, reinstituted after public backslash 2. Blocks Internet and Cloudflare during La Liga matches 3. Prime minister Pedro Sanchez from Spanish Socialist Workers’ Party (PSOE) has demanded the end of anonymity in Internet They say it is to protect the kids, but likely it is to find out who watches La Liga without a premium subscription. |
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| ▲ | darccio an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This censorship mechanism comes from 2011, when it was created under the Spanish Socialist Party's government lead by Zapatero. There was a lot of backlash, but the Intellectual Property Comission (also known as "Comisión Sinde") was never dissolved under the next governments' rules. Re: La Liga's censorship, it isn't promoted by the government but by La Liga itself with the collaboration of the largest ISP, Telefónica/Movistar. Movistar used one of the subsidiaries to denounce themselves and other IPs so they would reach a friendly agreement (again, with themselves) that the judge considered enough to enforce the current Cloudflare blocks. | |
| ▲ | vasco 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It started around 2008 when they had one of the most permissive landscapes in Europe with pressure by the US using the Special 301 whatchlist. Then Obama increased the pressure with Zapatero and after a couple of tries the timeline you describe was set in motion. Thanks MPAA and RIAA as usual. | |
| ▲ | jimbob45 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What happened to Spain? They didn’t get hit by WW2 and yet…are a distant sixth in economic size behind even Russia. | | |
| ▲ | ghostDancer 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Spain did not got hit by WW2 cause it was absolutely destroyed by a civil war beginning 1936. After that a dictatorship of 40 years and when it opened all industry got hit cause it was heavily protected and could not compete in open markets, add to that most of the working industries were cheaply sold to friends of the dictatorship who were, and some of them still are, in power positions. | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You mean Spain the fastest growing European country by many metrics? Not sure, we're here, been chilling all summer, time to get back to work now :) What happened to the country you live in? | | |
| ▲ | mdp2021 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > fastest growing European country by many metrics Countries grow in secondary matters and the primary ones (civilization) remain unattended. And by the way, when something "grows fast", do not misunderstand the indicator... Ethiopia had a 13% annual growth recently; Guyana has a 16% annual growth at this time: you are not thinking that "life is good there" and "Miami videoclip vibes everywhere", right? | |
| ▲ | tyre 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Spain’s youth unemployment is the highest in Europe. I hope it’s improving, but economically Spain has not recovered post-2008 in line with others in the EU. |
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| ▲ | bloak 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | According to GDP per capita, Spain is below Italy, but above Portugal. Has its position changed much over the last century? I would be interested to see a measure of that, but how far back is it feasible to estimate GDP per capita? I don't know how Spain was affected by WW2, but they had a very nasty civil war just before WW2. I'm not sure if that's relevant to GDP per capita, though, because a war can sometimes improve the economy by leading to the overflow of a system in which progress is blocked by a relatively rich ruling class. | |
| ▲ | kakacik 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is only so much one can reach economically with all mañana and siesta and hard push for socialism/communism. They also seem to enjoy importing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants from north Africa into EU in one big move, consistent with above (what rest of EU thinks is clearly not important). At least they don't seem to be having italian-level of corruption managed by mafia. With all that said it would be strange if they would be further, prosperity comes from hard work and discipline. | | |
| ▲ | ghostDancer 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You don't know how hard is to maintain a country when you have to run in front of the bulls while making a paella at the same time you dance some flamenco./s I guess that's your view of Spain, you should read and view things from more modern years than the 1950's. Also talk or Morocco and his allies USA and Israel about the immigrants that the mafia sent into Spain and Spain has never been communist or socialist, unless you don't what socialism and communism is. | |
| ▲ | guydoom 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Insanely ignorant comment. | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > With all that said it would be strange if they would be further, prosperity comes from hard work and discipline. It must really suck for all of you living outside of Spain, looking at us taking naps and being "inefficient" with all our communism, yet we have health care, and work/life balance and have time enough for family and hobbies. Of course, best is to just see it like there is no prosperity in the country, because there are no startup unicorns or billionaires buying up our media. |
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| ▲ | guille_ an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | PSOE happened | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. But then again, discussing politics hardly ever gets less divisive here or elsewhere. | |
| ▲ | lnsru 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I was been there. I mean socialist fantasy and everyone was equally poor except party members. It is astonishing to watch this shit happening in different countries with different cultures during long period of time. But with same end. And it is not prosperity. This time in Berlin as recent example: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-election-housing-cris... |
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| ▲ | dmortin an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does archive.is have problems? I tried this article with it and it didn't work: https://www.wsj.com/business/entrepreneurship/burned-out-and... Error: Invalid InterceptionId. |
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| ▲ | outside1234 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did they find a La Liga game on it or something? |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'd built something which can allow people to archive archive.is pages on archive.org. https://smileplease.mataroa.blog/blog/htmlpipe-and-how-we-ca... This could perhaps be used for this purpose. I have submitted it on hackernews once again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49773417 (Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47574562) |