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tancop 7 hours ago

Because American auto makers convinced the government that BYD is price dumping in every market segment at the same time and somehow staying profitable.

JKCalhoun 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I saw a print ad for a brand new Toyota Corolla back in 1974—something like $2500 or so. Running the inflation numbers: where are the $17K cars today? Why is the average US new car $50K now.

To be sure, I know there are a lot more regulations on car manufacturers now, and tech in the cars, but come on!

Querying Claude: "Manufacturers have responded by prioritizing profit, concentrating inventory at higher price points…", "2026 is the first year in the U.S. with no new car priced under $20,000."

Cars in the US are the ultimate regressive tax. The blue-collar worker that needs a car to get to work, the guy that mows lawns for a living, the maids… Sure, used cars are a thing (my first car in my 1984 was in fact a Datsun B-210 that I paid $400 for). But I think everyone has noticed that used car prices are through the roof as well.

The Japanese came in and handed the US car manufacturers their asses in the 70's. We might need something like that again.

ponector an hour ago | parent [-]

New Corola is advertised at $25k. Fair price considering how many features you get vs 1974 car.

legitster 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But I mean, they are.

The Chinese government is effectively giving all manufacturers 0% financing and raw materials at cost.

And even still, BYD executives have come out and said their pricing is not sustainable. The Chinese market is engaging in a massive price war and BYD's strategy is to entrench themselves in new markets with "aggressive" introductory pricing campaigns.

bryanlarsen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The Europeans did a survey and pegged the value of BYD's government support at 17%. I trust that number as an upper limit because the European government would have had lots of incentive to be thorough and to err on the side of over estimating.

Taniwha 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

So essentially the same thing the AI companies are doing

surgical_fire 3 hours ago | parent [-]

When Chinese companies do it, then it is evil price dumping.

When US companies do it, then it is just good business strategy, investing in growth for future profits.

pfisherman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Do US companies have free access to Chinese markets?

surgical_fire an hour ago | parent [-]

I love this sort of reply.

Yes, the bastion of free market capitalism is no much different than the evil communist countries.

xethos 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not to say you're wrong, but BYD could still be price dumping in several markets, while being quietly propped up by the Chinese government. I'm not convinced that's the case, but it's still possible.

The kind of corporate-socialism that would allow a government to dump cash into an otherwise uncompetitive domestic automotive manufacturer to keep it afloat though, is more an American thing. If American auto manufacturers are right, and BYD is receiving government help, the hypocrisy would be nearly unbelievable

shuwix 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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joinHNtheysaid 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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