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The Data-Center Debate Is Divorced from the Facts(theatlantic.com)
4 points by paulpauper 2 hours ago | 6 comments
Grombobulous 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Here’s what I’d tell the industry: too bad, so sad, you spent the last decade burning the trust of your consumers. Facts don’t matter anymore.

Your customers used to be excited for technology. Getting a Facebook account was fun and exciting. Getting a smartphone was about solving cool problems and messing around with beer drinking apps. We all know how that turned out.

Now we are being sold AI as something that’s going to steal our jobs and the companies developing AI are marketing them by saying they’re going to literally destroy humanity.

Fuck off. I’m not going to allow an AI data center in my back yard. What do I get out of it? It won’t even be a net positive in tax revenue because barely anyone works there and no commerce takes place locally.

epsteingpt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What political debate is married to the facts? Name one.

octotep an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://archive.is/SknST

gigatexal 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If I was a governor and my state had the resources (land, power, water, people etc) to build a few of these I’d let them. With a few caveats:

They’d have to be grid neutral. So generate your own power or pay for new generation whatever it is but your data center can’t raise electricity prices.

Power generation can’t be loud or otherwise environmentally annoying. No extra noise. Smells. Pollution. You gotta find a way to get power without harming the environment.

Property taxes for the building and such are 5x what they are for any other such building and are binding for 10 years. If you build it in year one and the bust happens and it’s dormant idk the taxes are in escrow and are due us for the next ten years.

All infra necessary or impacts of it developers have to build and pay for. If you need roads or are gonna impact them to build it then you gotta build alternatives.

And the water used must be recycled and self sustaining. If you need a million gallons fine but that’s all we can’t have data centers sucking up all the water.

Do that and you get my blessing.

I realize these requirements are tall orders but there’s basically infinite money and they’re still far cheaper than space data centers.

xhkkffbf an hour ago | parent [-]

Far cheaper? There's free cooling in space. No need to overpay for water or recycle it. There's also free electricity -- once you pay for the solar panels. And there are no property taxes or corporate taxes.

Given that folks like you think there's infinite money and they can make outrageous demands for taxes, I think it's not obvious that terrestrial centers are "far cheaper".

jdlshore 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

> free cooling

Vacuum is an insulator. I think you may have been mislead.