| ▲ | cecexacjrgec 4 hours ago |
| > or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation. With the way Firefox is heading, that might not be the best idea. Nowadays Mozilla seem more focused on riding the AI-hype wave than actually making an excellent browser people want to actually use. |
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| ▲ | bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Is Firefox or Mozilla perfect? Heck no. But we're not comparing Mozilla against pre-IBM Red Hat or Ben & Jerry's or whatever your concept of the ideal corporate citizen is. We're comparing Mozilla against Google. That's a very low bar that Mozilla clears with ease, especially if you're criteria includes shoving AI down your throat. |
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| ▲ | mitxela an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure Mozilla clears it. Zen or Librewolf or PaleMoon clears it. |
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| ▲ | josephg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Mozilla definitely wastes a bunch of money building features I don’t want. But underneath it all, Firefox is still an excellent web browser. You just occasionally have to disable “pocket” or “gadgets” or something. |
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| ▲ | II2II 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It is sad to see Firefox riding various hype trains over the years, but I can't really blame them. Miss the wrong train, and you fall behind and may not be able to catch up. Miss the train to nowhere, and you are only wasting resources. As for the excellent browser that people want, that raises the question of what people want. There are likely as many answers as people. |
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| ▲ | cecexacjrgec 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah. It’s a tough balance to achieve but that’s the situation we’re in right now so Mozilla really ought to step up (and I totally wish they would). My biggest pain point at the moment (entirely subjective mind you) is not even the AI nonsense, but how disjointed and alien the Firefox UX and general feel is to Apple platforms (what I use, at the moment). I don’t want Firefox to mirror Safari 1:1 but I do want the Firefox UI and UX to feel polished, well thought out and thoroughly in line with system HIG specs—given that I spend a lot of time in a browser, it shouldn’t feel like a stranger in a strange land amidst my other desktop applications. Aggressive UI improvements would go a long way to restore some faith in the incandescent fox‘ mission—at least for me. | | |
| ▲ | II2II 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Behaving like a native application also has tradeoffs. If you're only working on one platform, then sure you will want it to behave like a native application. If you're working on multiple platforms, chances are that you're going to value consistency. And while macOS users prefer their UI, the same can be said of Linux and Windows users. Guess which one is going to win out there. | |
| ▲ | takeda 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe I'm not enough of an Apple fanboy but using work provided mac with firefox for 15 years I never noticed UI being disjointed from the system any more than Chrome. | |
| ▲ | josephg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What aspects feel foreign on macOS? The Firefox preferences for sure. Anything else? | | |
| ▲ | weikju 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tab close buttons are on the right (windows style) instead of on the left (macOS style), for one. | | |
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| ▲ | seb1204 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Where is the form, forum or spot in general where one can tell Mozilla? |
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| ▲ | jdjfnfjdjjeh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Mozilla gets 100M a year from Google ??? No fucking way they are biting the hand that feeds. |
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| ▲ | stuaxo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It's not really a "both sides" thing given the scale difference between what Google is up to and that. |
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| ▲ | cecexacjrgec 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | No one is forcing Mozilla’s hand (afaik) and no one is actually thinking “if Firefox had a chatbot that might convince me to move over”. Youre right that it is not a “both sides” thing, its a “Mozilla thing”. Through and through. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela an hour ago | parent [-] | | Some people are thinking "Firefox doesn't have a chatbot so I'll use chrome" though |
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