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largbae 6 hours ago

Alright AI maximalists, what's the estimated token budget to remove the Google dependency?

GrapheneOS has the bootable AOSP and will have Google-alternative device support.

We probably need an equivalent to Play Services, app signing/porting/publishing tools.

With these in hand could we talk Valve into providing the scalable alternative to the play store?

aesh2Xa1 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

GrapheneOS accepts donations and, to my knowledge, they spend it in hiring full time engineers.

They have replacement portions for Play Services already (attestation, an app store, and location), but it'd be interesting if they also offered something for push notifications.

If you have it to give you can spend your budget on a donation and fund the effort directly.

ninjasmosa 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I believe GrapheneOS talked about hosting their own unifiedpush server and baking it into the OS not long ago

alightsoul 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The token budget isn't to remove Google it's to create drivers for individual phone hardware, which phone and chip manufacturers keep closed source. Also it would be used to find exploits to unlock permanently locked bootloaders

MrDrMcCoy 2 hours ago | parent [-]

GrapheneOS won't be interested in other hardware support, since the only devices that meet their hardware security standards are Pixels and the upcoming Motorola phone.

IshKebab 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A lot. But I don't think you can do it with just tokens. Android without the Play store and Google Play Services is just not very useful (in the West anyway).

mitxela an hour ago | parent [-]

Which is why Grapheme runs them in a sandbox. You can too.

the_real_cher 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What's the token budget to build a new phone OS?

z3ratul163071 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

exactly

cecexacjrgec 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If only Graphene had a better marketing team. It pains me to say this but it is the absolute truth: the public does not know Graphene and does not care about Graphene. Even it’s name is absolutely awful. This is like the Linux distro hell: “you should use BingaBoingoKonohaOS_v34 or Peppermint_Cinn4monR0ll with the OutOfThisWorld DE, but steer clear of the Pancake package manager, use openMsPacMan with GrassFaceWhazzit frontend instead.” How is anyone (as in not us, the tech nerds) supposed to reason about this?

Things will keep as is for as long as they keep making these OSs FOR the tech nerds.

Downvote me all you want. You know it’s true. An OS made for nerds and by nerds will never reach mainstream and will not, ever, move the needle anywhere. Tech is no longer a hobbyist’s game.

mitxela an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It's the OS every drug dealer uses and the government can't break it. In privacy circles you can't get better marketing than that.

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jraph 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What's particularly bad about the names of Graphene, Mint and Cinnamon? Especially compared to Android and iOS!!

throe939r 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Buy HarmonyOS device. No google jumk, android compatible os, fdroid works, years of security updates from maker, and 40% lower price.

As a personal device it works pretty well. For ssh terminal and reading markdown, it has by far best display.

zb3 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

HarmonyOS kernel (HongMeng) is not only closed source but also encrypted. Those devices do not allow you to unlock the bootloader or install apps not signed by them (albeit I don't know how that works for emulator apps, a signed Android emulator could possibly allow arbitrary apks).

Huawei made a big mistake by not fully open sourcing HarmonyOS, you can't flash OpenHarmony so it doesn't count.

fwip 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's Huawei's Android fork, right? Is it available on devices outside of China? I'm not seeing an obvious place to buy a device running it.

palata 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I think it started like this, but it no longer is the case.

I feel like Huawei missed a gigantic opportunity there: forking AOSP may have gotten them traction. I would totally buy a Huawei device if it could run GrapheneOS, and I wouldn't mind if GrapheneOS was based on Huawei's fork rather than Google's.

mitxela an hour ago | parent [-]

Why would China allow the domestic sale of a device that could run GrapheneOS?

colordrops 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LOL an OS controlled by the Chinese government?

largbae 4 hours ago | parent [-]

As long as it's OSS, you could always fork it back l.

colordrops 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's not.