| ▲ | 7734128 6 hours ago |
| It's not a regret. Android would never have been popular in the first place if it had not been open source. If phone makers had been able to anticipate how much the demons at Google would be able to lock down the Android then they would never had used the OS back in ~2009. |
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| ▲ | thevillagechief 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't think this is actually true. Phone makers seem happy to have the platform locked down even further. They're putting even more roadblocks, as evidenced by most of them making bootloaders unlockable. |
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| ▲ | ardacinar 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They're happy that it is locked down. They're not happy that they're not the ones doing the locking down. | |
| ▲ | alightsoul 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Any discussion about this is shut down. I just read an article https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckqxvy98x578o
In the UK according to the BBC, politicians are pressing Samsung and apple to make stolen phones bricks. Samsung in response said that they have implemented several security features for this purpose. I think Samsung considers removing OEM unlocking a security feature according to the bootloader unlock hall of shame. Intel used to do the same with their anti theft technology aka Intel theft deterrent on their classmate PCs, so students had to enter unlock codes from an IT admin every 3 months or every say 200 boots to prevent the computer from being locked at the bios level preventing it from booting an OS, and there was an update which disabled that functionality permanently. And you would be warned when you had around 50 boots left to get the unlock code. | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 32 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Normally you have to unlock the phone before unlocking the bootloader, and that is the protection. | |
| ▲ | alightsoul 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It could be disabled from the bios somehow if you knew the bios password or the bios could be reflashed with a programming Clip directly on the bios flash chip itself. |
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| ▲ | tosti 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Making the bootloaders unlockable is a good thing. | | |
| ▲ | 0x1ch 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think OP misspoke. He probably meant that they're not able to be unlocked by the consumers, usually. |
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| ▲ | lenerdenator 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is what lots of people forget. Android is not a Linux desktop or server distro. It is not about you getting to put what you want on the hardware you bought for free. Operating systems are hellaciously expensive to maintain and that only gets worse in markets with rapid hardware improvements, as the smartphone market was up until maybe the late 2010s. Google is not a charity. SV did not come into national prominence for making investors $0. There is no money in giving maybe one in one-hundred smartphone users (and that's being generous) a bunch of code, for free, so that they can put it on their gizmo and talk to their nerd friends at their hacker meetup. When they pitched Android as "open", they meant that carriers and device makers could load it up with all of the revenue-enhancing bloat that they wanted. In return, Google got a device that would let them hoover up all of the data they could ever want in order to build better ad service profiles for those using the devices. That is, after all, their business. For a while, this could coexist with us screwing around with a real-life tricorder. At some point, though, the free stuff turned into a revenue opportunity that had to be exploited. And so, it will be. | | |
| ▲ | TeMPOraL 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > For a while, this could coexist with us screwing around with a real-life tricorder. Wish I could upvote you twice for that line alone. It perfectly sums up what I always wanted Android to be. Alas, the closer we are to this in hardware, the further away we are getting in software. | |
| ▲ | mitxela 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Especially Android, which is an ever-growing pile of spaghetti almost as bad as Windows. |
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| ▲ | mrpippy 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That’s possible (never underestimate the bad decision-making of phone makers), but what would they have done instead? Windows Mobile 6 was the only licensable alternative, but it was a known quantity and obviously a generation behind Android and iOS. |
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| ▲ | edent 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Symbian and LiMo were both available at the time. It is hard to say they were good alternatives though. Windows 7 - even with the weight of Microsoft behind it - wasn't able to attract enough hardware manufacturers. | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Windows Phone was pretty nice, too bad Microsoft didn't follow their DOS and Windows strategy of getting it preinstalled on every consumer PC sold. There was really only the Nokia Lumia line that I recall, but everyone I knew who had one loved it. | | |
| ▲ | dpark 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Windows Phone 7 didn’t ship until 2 years after Android. 2 more years later Windows Phone 8 was released and it was a legitimate option but just too late. Pre-7 was just not an operating system that anyone except the geekiest of geeks wanted to use. | | |
| ▲ | SoftTalker 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah I guess Apple set too high a bar and MS was caught flatfooted (again) and was too far behind. | | |
| ▲ | dpark 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don’t have visibility into what happened with the Windows Phone team, but Android from what I understand saw immediately that they needed to follow Apple’s lead and pivoted (originally they were building something closer to a BlackBerry). The Windows Phone team either didn’t believe they need to pivot initially or they just took too long to do so. Windows Phone is a case study of missed opportunity. |
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| ▲ | pmlnr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maemo. | | |
| ▲ | michaelmior 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I remember using a Maemo device circa 2009. I recall overall really liking the OS. |
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| ▲ | LTL_FTC 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | WebOS was pretty cool (Palm). But I’m not sure if Palm would have licensed it. Lg ended up with it. | |
| ▲ | thomasahle 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Also Bada | |
| ▲ | cyberax 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There were several credible competitors: WebOS, Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo, Palm OS 6, and of course Windows Mobile. But they required cooperating with a single vendor and/or a lot of work to adapt. Android won because it was available "right now" and easy to hack. Vendors could get a BSP (Board Support Package) from a chip manufacturer, slap Android userspace on top of it, and ship a phone within half a year. It was a glorious mess for a while. Google then slowly tightened the reins and made the ecosystem more ordered. |
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| ▲ | sublinear 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No, everyone knew what they were getting into with Android. It wasn't taken lightly by the power users of the time either. I still have a phone somewhere with Ubuntu Touch on it. I really was hoping that would be my phone OS by now. Not that Canonical isn't capable of similar, but that it would bring about acceptance of Linux phones. I think we're all more surprised by how long it took for Google to make these bad moves. For a period of time in the 2010s we actually started thinking maybe Google was alright. |
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| ▲ | reedciccio 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It wasn't Canonical's limitation. Mozilla can confirm: the barriers to enter the phone manufacturing market are immense. Samsung, Ericsson, Sony, LG, etc, all had solid control of the deals with the network operators worldwide. It's a highly regulated market, you can't get in without Verizon, att, Vodafone etc to let you in. Canonical, Open Moko, Mozilla... Didn't have the strength to push through. Google and Apple did. | | |
| ▲ | numpad0 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's operators that have grips on manufacturers. Phone OEMs don't make any without the sales networks and financing structures of cellular carriers. This is to extent that some carriers still insist that they design phones and phone manufacturers are just factories. People need to understand that power dynamic before blaming those "mere factories" for not making Linux phones. There has to be like an SVP of SoandSo Wireless pushing like three pillar approach of iOS, Android and Linux. Otherwise the pitch decks for any alternative phones just go straight to trash(or into a motorized shredder if it is still physical). | | | |
| ▲ | mitxela 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Worst case we can buy phones and physically replace their Application Processors with liberated ones. |
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| ▲ | alightsoul 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Phone manufacturers had Symbian which became open source |