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rconti 6 hours ago

I think there's just too many confounding variables to say. ZIRP policy ended in 2022, with interest rates going up 5% between 2022 and mid-2023[1]. This both means that money was historically cheap when these early-career developers were being hired in the peak, and it was relatively (in terms of the past couple of decades; eg, the modern tech industry) expensive after.

We've seen layoffs as a result of this, and nobody's hiring a cohort of juniors when they're trying to afford the employees they already have.

On top of that, companies are firing the money cannon at AI initiatives and experiments (some of which will be successful and others which won't), leaving less money for humans.

Anyway, it's just a single occurrence of a hiring drop in a single economic cycle. Unfortunately, it just happens to perfectly line up with the rise of GenAI. We may never be able to tease apart cause and effect in this period, and we certainly won't be able to do so until we have at least a handful more years of data to see how junior hiring does or does not rebound.

[1]https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/zirp

general_reveal 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Everything you said is true, I agree with you.

”Unfortunately, it just happens to perfectly line up with the rise of GenAI.”

Right. That’s just something I think we should keep our pulse on and keep looking at this data every six months (seriously, this needs to be tracked by devs because this data may start forming into that proverbial “writing on the wall”).

No one should be planning on being a software engineer in about 3-5 years, all need to plan for alternative income sources or early retirement. I think, at least.

balefulboy 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>No one should be planning on being a software engineer in about 3-5 years, all need to plan for alternative income sources or early retirement. I think, at least.

Interesting. I recall Geoffrey Hinton saying something similar about Radiologists.

“People should stop training radiologists now” "it is just completely obvious that within 5 years deep learning will do better than radiologists”

https://youtu.be/2HMPRXstSvQ?si=prlQ_uGkCrWAZwgU&t=22