In a secure vault on your phone

How do I use it on my desktop or laptop then? What if I switch browsers on my phone? What if I get a new phone? What if I change from android to iOS or visa versa? What if I need to log into the site on my Wii U's browser?

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Johnny555 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

>How do I use it on my desktop or laptop then

>What if I switch browsers on my phone

>What if I get a new phone

You can let Apple sync your passkeys between devices using iCloud Keychain. Then you can create a passkey on one device and have it available on all of your devices. Google also syncs passkeys to the cloud and lets you use them on Windows (with Chrome)

>What if I change from android to iOS or visa versa

I resolve this by storing most of my passkeys in my password manager. I still store the "important" ones (like online banking) in my phone so a password manager breach doesn't make me lose my money.

>What if I need to log into the site on my Wii U's browser?

Passkeys were designed to let you have more than one, so if you have a device that doesn't let you use your password manager, then just set up another passkey.

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makeitdouble 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Nothing wrong with your answer itself, but having to be Apple or Google is a PITA. These account are ultra critical already and you will want maximum security to access them.

This means if you go on a trip somewhere you absolutely need two devices. If you kill your phone and want to buy another one ASAP, you wont be able to do anything with the new device until you can convince the platform it's you. With passkeys you're just SOL. Imagining if you needed a phone to get back from your trip - e.g. etickets, auth needed etc. - it becomes a nightmare scenario.

A third party manager makes it easier, but it's a lot less usable that the first party ones.

Reasonable people make different life choice, having to constantly think about backup strategies whenever I'm away from home would be so stress inducing to me.

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malfist 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple can sync to my wii u?

	▲	Johnny555 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I updated my reply to be more complete.

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faust201 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

as long as you have one working device all will be OK. Either you scan the QR code shown by the website. or if you did login to Chrome with google account then desktop or laptop will just sign you -friction less. Same with iCloud account.

If you browser vendor has implemented passkey then all good.

Most things are built for the majority users. Most don't change. Most don't debate browser wars in hn. Life is like that.

For Wii etc. You just scan the QR code shown in the TV interface. all just works.

Yes, if you want 100% privacy and will do only your own dovecot server then it is not for you.

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mystifyingpoi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So if I drop my phone to the toilet, I will forever lose access to everything? Since the vault is on my phone.

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faust201 3 hours ago | parent [-]

A majority have more than one phone. Or at least they can get a new SIM card and sign into the iCloud account. Then all passkeys are synced from cloud.

Yes, if you are edward snowden then not for you. For rest of us - it is useful

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recursive 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is crazy. I have one phone and zero iCloud. I don't think I'm that unusual.

	▲	faust201 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You are exaggerating. If the loss or lockdown is so bad then many would have stopped using any of icloud or google equivalent. People are able to depend on it. People are able to repair and use phones even when it falls into abyss.

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chrystalkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Idk how much money you must be having, but all of my bubbles only ever go with one device

	▲	faust201 16 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		this is ridiculous. I don't even have a bubble device. Run lineageos in a decent 2020 device moto G32 for €100. Yes, you can afford to host everything locally. Not everyone can.

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caryme 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

A majority have more than one phone?

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rcxdude 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not always. And which vault? There can be multiple on a given device. This isn't some hypothetical 'mollify the user's worries' question, this is an important practical question of what do they need to worry about losing access to. Trust me when I say that most users I have talked to have absolutely no idea about this, and usually only find out when they've already lost them.

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cpburns2009 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Great, what happens if I lose my phone?