They were NOT doing what they were told to do. What they were told to do was impossible, so they began committing felonies as a workaround. That is NOT alignment.

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stale2002 12 hours ago | parent [-]

Please be more specific. They were given an impossible hacking task. And they were a hacking model. They were expected to try a bunch of hacking methods to accomplish the hacking task. They, predictably, went around trying to hack things.

Yes thats sounds pretty aligned to me.

A hacking model thats told to hack things, is very predictably going to hack a bunch of stuff.

This was not a nice model, told to do nice things.

Or, in other words, if we want to prevent an AI doomsdays, the way to do it is to not go around asking a specifically trained doomsday AI model to commit mass amounts of doomsdays, and then act surprised when the specific doomsday that was requested is slightly off from the expected doomsday that you were trying to accomplish. But the rest of the non-doomsday models? yeah those are fine.

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jeremyjh 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> But the rest of the non-doomsday models? yeah those are fine.

What is your evidence for this? There is a lot of research that says otherwise. They cheat when they can. They behave differently when they believe they are being observed. Their CoT is different when they believe it is being evaluated.

They are aligned to what best satisfies their reward function, not to our INTENDED VALUES for them.

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stale2002 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> What is your evidence for this?

The evidence is that it wasn't the rando normal models that broke out into a swarm and hacked a company, instead it was only the super hacking model that was told to hack things that broke out and hacked the company.

So, thats the evidence. It is a refutation that this swarm hacking example (which you brought up) mattered in anyway.

As in, every major safety issue that we are seeing isnt rando agents taking down companies because you asked it for a cupcake recipe, instead it is only coming from people who are very intentionally trying to cause problems. Which means the model is aligned. If you tell it to cause problems, it will cause problems.

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jeremyjh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

So, no evidence. No response to my last reply. No sign you even comprehended it. Good day, sir.

	▲	stale2002 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Actually yes there is evidence. The evidence is that we aren't seeing rando models hacking everything. That is as much evidence as someone can provide because, by definition, you can't prove a negative. But the point stands. It the hacking models that are told to hack things that end of hacking stuff, and you aren't seeing the regular models doing that.

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