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_carbyau_ 18 hours ago

At the time:

1. no one knew that much about COVID. Even the authorities and experts!

2. It was a respiratory thing kinda like a cold or flu that killed some people. And then more people. And of course the news hyped that. So many theories and crackpots and experts and armchair-experts spouting all kinds of shit. It was tiring to open a web browser.

3. No vaccine. No vaccine for at least a year. You just have to wait for this tidal wave of sickness to hit you and everyone around you.

4. I recall seeing on the news what was happening in Italy. March 2020, something like 600 people a day dying of covid. Italy's hospitals were being overrun with covid patients. It wasn't obvious who needed treatment and help to survive the night and who could just go home and be (quite) miserable for a bit. There were so many unknowns! Hospital overrun resulted in not just covid patients dying but also anyone else who needed to go to the emergency department was affected to some degree. Partly because the system didn't have the capacity and partly because you'd catch covid on top of the reason you were there. The systems were choking.

I was in Melbourne the whole time, through every lockdown. Everyone has an opinion on whether it was the right thing to do, but for me, it was the society agreed upon (via authority and literal epidemiologist expert guidance) way to avoid killing a single digit % of the population.

Don't get me wrong, I was so fucking sick of being couped up... but I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I had've put some of my neighbours through that first wave harsh covid. I couldn't say as to whether it would have killed some of them.

Yes, many people had it rough in so many different ways. Bureaucratic shit was being made up almost day to day and people were also trying to scam it day to day. So it isn't surprising shit happened. Everyone has a story.

However, to say "We should have.." belies the fact that hindsight is easy and recollection is rose tinted.

jakzurr 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Thank you.

grebc 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

1. They still don’t, you just lived through an episode though so you feel good because you survived and it feels like you’re prepared.

2. Cool story.

3. Another cool story.

4. Yeah. People lost their minds because people got sick and gate crashed the ED for what’s to mostly normal person a bad flu.

You’re proving my point that people lost their minds. Our hospitals are more up the creek presently. I can’t emphasise that enough. All the billions upon billions of dollars spent during & since on R&D, staff, resources, beds. PRESENTLY - no covid outbreak - thank the lord.

_carbyau_ 14 hours ago | parent [-]

> You’re proving my point that people lost their minds.

Nah, minds were not lost. Italy simply had the bad luck to show us what "zero response" looked like.

> mostly normal person a bad flu

Nope.

Italy now: flu season for the year = ~3000 deaths

2020 Italy COVID for the year = ~74000 deaths

Bit of a difference. And that was with Italy also trying lockdowns and everything else once they realised how bad it was.

grebc 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I never said there was less deaths, don’t put words in my mouth. I said for most regular people it’s likely a bad flu.

Did you know Italy’s death rate is still elevated, even 5/6 years after? Best go into lockdown since we don’t know why.

queenkjuul 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These people always insist on literally ignoring the body count. Drives me insane. It was so far removed from a normal flu and everyone in the medical field will tell you that emphatically yet here people are acting like it was nothing.